<p>A friend of mine will take the SAT this October. in the tests he took so far he is got no more than 1900. Can he get into top schools in america (yale, harvard, or others assuming his GPA, EC's and recs are good) ???</p>
<p>Although i got a 2000 on the SAT I, its is very difficult for us intl students to keep up with american averages, not because we are less inteligent, but because we are not used to way americans are taught. Is that considered by top schools in america??</p>
<p>the actual "average" is far lower than 2000 .. i believe it's closer to 1500. sure, tell your friend to try applying to CHYMPS if s/he wants, but make sure s/he applies to some more realistic schools, too. i'm not saying CHYMPS is totally out of the question, but it would be a stretch.</p>
<p>OK... thanks MJ93!!!</p>
<p>Yea, a URM can get in with under a 2000 easily.....</p>
<p>Yes. UCLA, U of M, UVA, a few of the privates. However, your gpa and exc and essays must be excellent. Dont think because u are a URM, you are given a free pass or are exempt from having to have strong stats.</p>
<p>standards are so ridiculously low for urm's compared to normal students in regard to admissions. If he has a 3.5+ gpa, 1700+ sat, and maybe 1-2 aps, and he is a urm, he can get into any college in the us.</p>
<p>^^ no, it's not that easy.</p>
<p>What college is the C in CHYPMS (just curious!) I agree with kyledavid80, it's very rare that a URM can get into top colleges with a B average and 1700 SAT. A a 3.8 UW and 1900 SAT would be the minimum.</p>
<p>A Latino young man I know, with an almost 2200 SAT, high GPA, and the best EC's of anyone I've ever met, was turned down by Princeton. please don't make assumptions about 1700 can go to any school they want, Vissanik.</p>
<p>To the OP, yes, it's possible, but all other factors will play a part, too</p>
<p>I totally agree with garland. I would guess that the people who are telling you that a 1700+ SAT URM can go anywhere have absolutely no first hand experience. If I am wrong posters, please state your personal experience (not someone you heard about). </p>
<p>But this is likely a moot question, as Internationals are not considered URMs.</p>
<p>NON-URM students can get into top colleges with testing lower than 2000 as well. </p>
<p>Just because a student is an URM DOES NOT mean that the "bar" is lowered for them with respect to quantitative measures like the SAT or GPA. Vissanik's assumptions are grossly exaggerated and ignorant vis-a-vis the admissions process at highly selective schools. It just does not work that way at most places that are highly selective.</p>
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<p>I find that statement ignorant and borderline-racist. I'm sure that's not your intent, but it comes across sounding like that, not because of your statement that any URM with an SAT above 1700 can get into any college in the US (which is untrue) but because you contrast URMs with "normal" students. Is someone not normal if they are black, hisapnic, or native american? </p>
<p>I have friends who are black and hispanic who scored in the 2000+ range and were rejected at top colleges.</p>
<p>C in CHYMPS stands for Cal Tech.</p>
<p>lol. Nobody with a 2000 SAT is getting into CIT.</p>
<p>unless they have like a 800 in math, and doesn't speak English well.....</p>
<p>C should stand for columbia.</p>
<p>Not at top colleges they can't, unless they are an athlete (but non-urm athletes can get in w/ that score too), or had some other extrordinary part of there app (once again, non urms too). The top schools can draw from the best students in the country so they don't have to sacrifice quality for diversity. The only time it really counts in when you're comparing someone with like a 2150 SAT and a 2300 SAT, and at that point you're just comparing who's better at taking the SAT....</p>
<p>It's Cal Tech....</p>
<p>Perhaps C stands for Cornell which is in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>No way Columbia is considered by most to be much better than Cornell. It is most likely columbia or cal-tech in most people's mind.</p>