Can a (very) high SAT score make a big difference in elite college admissions?

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>I'm a junior, and I go to a top private school noted for its difficulty, but that doesn't rank or weight GPA's. My grades are overall pretty good, with my GPA around 3.8, and my extracurriculars are also pretty good, with some leadership/winning stuff and whatever. Judging from where this year and last year's seniors' destinations, I would seem like one of those kids who ends up at a school at the Rice/Georgetown level, with an outside shot at most Ivies.</p>

<p>However, I just got back my SATs, which I had taken without any prep, sort of as a diagnostic, and I got an unexpectedly high score - a 2380. I'm also white, Catholic and solidly middle class (public sector parents), so I'm not screwed over like Asian kids are, though I don't have the benefit of being rich. I'm just wondering whether my SAT score could push me up a good amount so that I have a genuine chance to make some of the best schools in the country. My parents and friends have been telling me this for the past few days but I was never under the impression that there was actually a difference between, I don't know, a 2250 and a 2350.</p>

<p>I really appreciate any answers.</p>

<p>I don’t think you should have a problem getting into the top schools in the country with a score like that. They wouldn’t not take you because of your race/income.</p>

<p>There is a difference but a high gpa at a top school and a high SAT don’t buy you IVY sadly. Don’t get me wrong it wouldn’t hurt to apply but you need to have some seriously good EC’s or an amazing interview. More or less you have to have the gpa the SAT and on top of that be a contender for “The most interesting man in the world.” Remeber there are 18K people who get accepted into the Ivy League each year and 36000+ Valedictorians. That said if you do apply you have a decent (probaby 20%) shot. Best of luck.</p>

<p>You definitely have the base stats for Ivy. It comes down to how good your essays and ECs are; at this point it couldn’t hurt to try for one or two, or some more if you have excellent ECs.</p>

<p>My S is very similar (2300 SAT, 3.82 gpa). You need really amazing EC’s to go along with your app., and at the same time, you have to reflect who you really are in that application. Make sure your essays are personal and truthful (same thing for your EC’s). The competition is off the charts now and you have to find a way to make yourself stand out in a crowd of over-achievers. Yes, you do have a shot at being admitted to Georgetown or similar, but be smart and make sure you have several target schools (and safety) to go along with the reaches (and the top schools are reaches for everybody!). Make sure to keep that gpa up! And do something spectacular this summer :)</p>

<p>You have the numbers, now it’s essay time. Good job and good luck :)</p>

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<p>^agree. I do not believe any top 10 or top 12 college would differentiate between a candidate with a 3.8GPA and a 2250 or 2400 SAT. You simply meet the threshold for academic prepardness and are passed into the next round. <– thats were it gets tougher.</p>

<p>“You have the numbers, now it’s essay time. Good job and good luck” – Physicsnut1</p>

<p>EXACTLY! It’s all about the essay now.</p>

<p>and the letters of recommendation</p>

<p>Help your recommenders out by giving them as much insight as possible into who you are, what you what to accomplish and why you are choosing the schools you apply to.</p>

<p>Kids a private schools have a huge advantage in this area: The faculty know them well</p>

<p>30% of a good meal are determined by how good the ingredients are. 70% are determined by how you prepare the meal.</p>

<p>Definitely apply to at least a few Ivy League caliber schools. You have competitive stats and can probably make a few as long as your essays are good. HYPS is impossible to guess, but it’s worth a try.</p>

<p>Maybe it would help to look at it this way regarding the top 10 or 20 Unis and Colleges in the US:</p>

<p>Take a scale of 1-5, with 5 being best, and 1 being worst.</p>

<p>SAT:
2300+ = 5
2200-2290 =4
2100 - 2190 = 3
2000 - 2090 = 2
1700-1990 = 1</p>

<p>Transcript:
3.9+ with a rigorous course load at a demanding, competitive entry HS = 5
3.8+ with a rigorous course load at a demanding, competitive entry HS = 4
3.6+ with a rigorous course load at a demanding, competitive entry HS = 3
3.3+ with a rigorous course load at a demanding, competitive entry HS = 2
3.0+ with a rigorous course load at a demanding, competitive entry HS = 1</p>

<p>Subtract 0.5 for moderately rigorous course load.<br>
Subtract 1.0 for slightly rigorous course load
Subtract 1.5 for mix of college prep and non-college prep courses</p>

<p>Subtract 0.5 for a strong HS that does not require entrance exams for inclusion in the school (e.g. Gunn in Palo Alto).
Subtract 1.0 for a typical well off suburban public High School where 50-80% go on to 4 year colleges (e.g. Palos Verdes Peninsula HS).
Subtract 1.5 for a typical suburban High School where less than 50% go on to a 4 yr. college</p>

<p>That gives you a starting point for your “Statistical Academic Strength”. If an applicant is not an Athlete or URM or Hardship case, or remarkable EC (or possibly Legacy), this is the point at which a 9 or 10 pt applicant has about the same chance of admittance as listed in the schools Admittance Stats… e.g. if a school is 16% admit rate, a 9 or 10 point applicant has 16% chance, to then be adjusted by ECs and letters of Rec. </p>

<p>ECs: also on a 1-5 scale, with 5 being something that truly impresses the adcom</p>

<p>Esscy: on a 1-2.5 scale, with 2.5 being an essay that captivates the reader.</p>

<p>Letters of Rec, on a 1-2.5 scale. 2.5 is a well written letter specifically identifying how the applicant’s specific strengths will contribute to the vitality of a specific college.</p>

<p>Now, for hooks:</p>

<p>Recruited Star Athlete: can add 10 points to the score, depending on Institutional flexibility
Recruited non-star Potential starting Athlete: up to 5 points
Male African American: 3-5 points
Internationally recognized Scholar (acclaimed author, published researcher, science competition winner, etc.): Add up to 3 points
Female African American: 2-4 points
Hispanic or American Indian: 1-3 points
Legacy: 1-2 points
Unusual Talent that will be used at a School sponsored activity (i.e. bassoon player): 1-2 points
Geographic desirability: 0-1 points
Intended Major desirability: 0-1 points (i.e. Linguistics major when Linguistics Dept. is schrinking)</p>

<p>So the unhooked scale goes to 20, with a possible overage for Hooks. All applicants from non-competitive-entry HS start with a 19.5 max, per the notation above. All applicants with an average HS course load start with a a max of 19 by the same notations above. All the areas work together, but some applicants start out with a higher possible total base on their school and their choices of course rigor.</p>

<p>19-20, a near perfect applicant, has let’s say, eight times the chance of admittance vs. the average applicant in the pool. If Harvard’s general applicant pool acceptance rate is 6%, the 19-20 applicant has 48% chance.</p>

<p>Though it is not possible to quantify what goes on in an admissions office, ultimately whatever system they use tallies together points for SAT, Transcript, ECs, and letters of Rec. To this is then added points for Hooks.</p>

<p>Acceptance rates to top schools increase exponentially with SAT score (mifune has a great post proving this somewhere). The idea that there is a 2250 “threshold” above which no score increases matter is absolutely untrue.</p>

<p>I would really like to see that post, if only to feel a little bit better before bed tonight. :D</p>

<p>Generally most Ivy Leagues won’t even look at you unless you have a minimum of 2100 SAT and a minimum 3.75 UW GPA. Even then, you’ll need a atleast a 2250 SAT to be looked at somewhat competitively. I would advise applying to a couple of the lower Ivies and the Higher ones if you have really good EC’s and Essays. Your SAT Score is really good; you just need to replicate it in the actual test. Once that is done, you should focus on keeping or raising your GPA, and EC’s.</p>

<p>Shaggy, I got the 2380 on the official January test. It’s my score for keeps, haha. It’s not like I just took a practice test and got excited.</p>

<p>You sound like a terrific kid who would stand a good chance against most people who are basically giving away $70. Don’t listen to other people too much, the only way to know for sure that you’re rejected is not to apply. Apply to HYP! Oxbridge! You will have great options come April next year.</p>

<p>A 2380 will help you a lot. There are only a few hundred kids each sitting with scores that high. Some schools, like Dartmouth, have a particular fondness for CR scores of 800, so if that’s you, write a great essay, get some terrific recs and you’ll have a very good shot at the non HYP Ivies.</p>

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<p>^Considering that the midpoint SAT score (of the 25%-75% range) for freshmen enrolled at all HYPSM schools are below 2250, it would be hard to argue that they dont look at you competitively without a score of 2250 or above. </p>

<p>I believe CC members tend to place significantly more weighting on SAT scores than adcoms actually do.</p>

<p>I’d put it this way–your SAT score makes highly selective schools possible for you if your grades and ECs also measure up. It’s hard to interpret that 3.8 GPA without knowing about your school–that might be really good, or not so good, depending. I think you still need a good list with reaches, matches and safeties–but you can include highly selective schools among your reaches.</p>