<p>My daughter would like to get in touch with a student who studies voice at Columbia (which, as I understand, one does through Barnard). She'd like to pursue a B.A. in Music, but augment it with vocal study and foreign language courses. We're unclear as to how it works when one wants to go to Columbia, but study in a department housed at Barnard. How well does the voice relationship with MSM work?</p>
<p>gadad, I'm not sure whether it's exactly about voice, but there's a guy who posts a lot in CC whose nick is jono, I think he said he is a musician (and Columbia student), so I'm sure he probably knows about it. And there's also a thread on the Columbia/Julliard combined program somewhere here at the Columbia hall. The posters there should be familiar with this</p>
<p>Thanks atu - you're right; from the posts it looks like jono is the guy to see.</p>
<p>We have heard that some Barnard women will be housed at MSM dorm this year, so there should be lots of inside information available. MSM dorm rooms are huge, very nice facility.</p>
<p>GAdad, I happened to be having dinner last night with someone who teaches voice students at Julliard and thought of your post. He said students only rarely complete the joint Columbia/Julliard program because it is just so tough. At some point they make a choice to focus on one aspect or the other. I realize that you asked about MSM rather than Julliard, but I thought this might give you an important question to ask if you haven't already, which is how many students do complete the joint program and how long does it take them.</p>
<p>Thank you sac - we're planning a trip to Columbia in October and would love to meet with a student in the program. If your friend had a way to have one of the joint program students contact me by e-mail, we'd love to communicate with them.</p>
<p>I don't think he has any current students in the combined program. But, I will e-mail him. Also, I remember reading an article about someone who did complete it. The article was in some Columbia publication -- either the Spec or the Alumni magazine, I'd guess. Perhaps you could check the archives. The gist as I recall was that everyone thought she was crazy to attempt it and it was a heck of a lot of work.</p>
<p>Well, I don't personally know any voice students at Columbia who study at Juilliard. But <a href="http://www.millertheatre.com/press/BCJ20decrel.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.millertheatre.com/press/BCJ20decrel.pdf</a> shows two tenors who are Columbia students. One is in the double-degree program, it seems, and the other, from what I can tell, is just taking lessons at Juilliard. I suppose you could look up their email addresses at the Columbia website and see how they feel about an email discussion out of the blue, or you could talk to a professor and see if he/she could make some introductions with these students or others like them. Even though these students don't study at Barnard, they would know about all the options available to your daughter, since they would have considered them, too. Sorry I can't help very much with voice. I'm a string player, so that's mostly what I concentrated on. I can help you once this year gets going, since I'll be dealing with the work of lessons and classes.</p>
<p>Will your daughter be a senior?</p>
<p>Another option is to find a teacher you like in the area, or contact one you know already. But then you would probably have to pay for lessons, unless Columbia works out a way to pay for students' lessons outside of the school. Of course, they don't especially WANT students to study with teachers outside of Columbia/Barnard, but maybe if they realize that expanding will be very attractive to prospective students, they will.</p>
<p>Maybe ask students and teachers: who are considered good voice teachers? And then set up trial lessons?</p>
<p>Thank you Jono. Let me ask you this - it's my understanding that the Columbia music majors study instrumental performance at Columbia, or vocal performance at Barnard. Do you know if Columbia music students would be at any disadvantage in terms of priority or access to services at Barnard?</p>
<p>Oh, found some info on the relationship with MSM. It is for BARNARD students only, EXCLUDING voice students. Hmph.</p>
<p>"Barnard College students may take advantage of the cross-registration agreement with the neighboring Manhattan School of Music, which permits pianists and instrumentalists only to take applied music lessons at the conservatory. Voice lessons are available through the Barnard Music Program.</p>
<p>Students may obtain an application for this program from the Barnard Registrar. After submitting the application, the student must arrange for an audition at the Manhattan School either in February or May in the Spring semester prior to the Fall term during which she intends to take lessons. Should the student be accepted into the program, she may simply register for the lessons for 2 points of academic credit with no additional charge to her Barnard Bursar's bill."</p>
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<p>Here is the link for the fall voice private studio lessons w/ Barnard.
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/MUSI/BC1501-20053-001/%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/MUSI/BC1501-20053-001/</a></p>
<p>And spring voice lessons. . .
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/MUSI/BC1502-20051-001/%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/MUSI/BC1502-20051-001/</a></p>
<p>More voice students in the spring. . . I wonder what the limit is. . .</p>
<p>I can't find anything about Barnard/Columbia priority for voice lessons.</p>
<p>Here is what I think is the deal. Juilliard is available to Columbia/Barnard voice/instrumental students. MSM is available for Barnard instrumental students. Barnard voice lessons are getting up there in number of students (37 for spring term, not including including incoming students). It seems Gail Archer is the one to talk to about voice at Columbia/Barnard.</p>
<p>BUT Juilliard voice has call-backs. . . and then they basically don't call back anybody except for the rare two people or something. And then after call-backs they make decisions. Voice is SO competitive (and there's pre-screening, toomany singers who could definitely become pros don't even get to audition at all). So if you want to study with a Juilliard teacher that you like, DEFinitely communicate with this person so that if the audition doesn't work out, the teacher might still teach your daughter privately.</p>
<p>I appreciate it Jono - it appears that Prof. Archer has just become a professor of organ at MSM, so I'll have to check and see who's going to teach Barnard voice in the future.</p>
<p>There are numberous teachers on various faculties, including voice, who teach at both Juilliard and MSM, as well as Mannes, at least according to the conservatory brochures. Compare the teaching rosters in the discipline your daughter is interested in studying. Start with the teacher, then decide where to apply. If Barnard students can study with MSM teachers, and Columbia students can study with Juilliard teachers, and some teach both places, there are multiple options.</p>
<p>But Barnard students can only study at MSM if they're not voice students.</p>
<p>sorry to bump an old thread like this but ditto with flute? </p>
<p>from what I can find, i should try to contact:
David Fedele
Sue-Ann Kahn
Susan Palma-Nidel
Tara Hellen O'Connor
Susan Rotholz</p>
<p>but I can't seem to find any kind of email adresses for them, any help please?
or even a way I coudl get in touch with someone who's doing the columbia-julliard double degree? cheers</p>