Can I get in? or is it "Do I stand out"?

Hello everyone, I’m not an expert or anything but I just wanted to share my thoughts on what I’ve encountered as an applicant.

I’ve read many posts of people asking others to weigh their chances of getting into certain colleges, and while some think these posts are pointless, it has actually helped me out, a lot. I find that knowing a small portion of who has applied in the past and who are currently applying helps me know how I compare to other applicants. Even the replies, one specifically that has guided me multiple times to a particular post that says no one can tell for sure whether you can get in or not. And they’re right. No one can tell you right off the bat, especially if a college looks holistically at your application, because unless you show us your essay (which I don’t recommend you posting), no one has any idea who you are, they only know your stats. With all I just said, and I apologize if I have confused you, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ask anymore, maybe just change what you’re asking and who you’re asking.

I’ve realized that colleges like a variety. As you could imagine, the short answer is that they want more people to apply to ultimately lower their acceptance rate. This might not be true for all colleges so take this a little lightly and there is a lot more to this answer, but for the sake of this post I wanted to keep it short.

I’ve spent probably too much time watching vloggers on youtube tell me how to get into top colleges, how to get the highest ACT or SAT scores, how to get the most scholarships, blah blah blah, and I came across this video. I forgot what it was called but it was a video where it talked about the ‘truth of college admissions.’ It was a very interesting video (even though I didn’t watch it all the way through) and I do recommend you watch it, but not let it discourage you. Since I can’t find the video, I’ll just tell you two main points that stood out to me.

  1. Colleges can do whatever they want with your application. Not saying they can sell your information like some companies cough cough. But if they see your test scores and GPAs then they can decide whether they want to throw your application out or not, if you don't compare to other applicants, without even reading your essays. Seems unfair right? Even after paying that application fee.
  2. College is everything, everything is unfair; therefore, college is unfair. As if throwing away your application wasn't unfair enough, now people who are underprivileged are at a disadvantage before they even think about applying to college. Listen closely because this blew my mind. You know not too long ago, the big thing was to be a scholar, a captain of a team and basically the 'perfect' student right? Well, guess what, unless you have money to pay for that rec team, or that expensive SAT tutor that guarantees you'll go up 400 points you're at a disadvantage. If you're poor or don't have the money to spend freely like others, you are indirectly disadvantaged for college. So to break it down if you're a little lost: 1. Your family doesn't make a lot of money 2. You can't get on the soccer team because soccer requires you to pay $500 a season 3. The college you're applying to likes soccer and therefore doesn't like you because you don't play soccer

For months, I was stressing over this because I didn’t see a point in applying to the college I wanted to go to if they were just going to throw my application away because I didn’t have the grades and scores. But I realized you have to trust that they won’t and give them a reason to notice you.

I’ve seen some colleges like diversity (not saying your grades aren’t important because they are), and others could care less, meaning they don’t touch on it like others do. The colleges that favor diversity tend to be on the scale of a larger university or college.
Now I repeat, THIS DOES NOT GO FOR ALL COLLEGES! I took it upon myself to ask an admission’s representative from a certain college “Do students have an advantage if they’re from another country?” Now I wasn’t expecting a downright yes, but I wanted to know, from an admission person’s point of view, how much of a role does diversity actually play when deciding who to let in and who not to let in. Honestly, I probably should have phrased this question a little better, but a summary of her answer was no, or not as much as you think. Take into consideration this was a small school (around 5,000) and it was in Alabama. Now, NYU or any other bug colleges could feel very different about this.

And if you think I’m picking on small schools or southern schools, I’m not. According to Best College Reviews, the most ethnically diverse college on their to 50 list is Swarthmore College. Their population is 1,581 in 2015. And for southern schools? University of North Carolina - Pembroke, and Georgia State University are listed at 25, and 21 respectively. Even on Niche’s ‘2017 Most Diverse Colleges in America’ article, Swarthmore is on the list at #5 and Emory, in Atlanta, Georgia is at #12. Links are down below.

I’m almost done so bare with me.

I just want people, especially applicants and parents of applicants, to know that you should always try. I am definitely not through with the admissions process because I have to wait patiently for 13 more days to find out whether or not I’m getting scholarships, and accepted to the school of my dreams. If I don’t get scholarships but got accepted (which I’ll find out in March), I’ll have to pray I’m getting scholarships elsewhere or I can’t go. And if I don’t go, then I’ll have to choose between two schools which I don’t have a crazy amount of interest in but have to learn to like them, or transfer, which I will probably do if all else fails. (the acting like I like it was sort of a joke but a cruel reality)

To applicants: I know it’s time-consuming and tough and scary, but try, please try. Apply to places you actually like, so you’re not in my situation. I know this guy that runs track, he’s a very very good and successful sprinter, and I tried to get him to apply to certain colleges, but he was so lazy, and just got discouraged after a while. I don’t want you guys to end up like that, because you could possibly be going to the school of your dreams, just show them how interested in the school and express it in your application. It’ll be alright, just relax.

To parents: Please be patient with your child and DO NOT WRITE THEIR APPLICATION FOR THEM! I don’t care how much you want them to go to that school, if they’re not interested now, don’t force them! They know the pressure, it’s their senior year, they’re tired of high school, tired of school work and plus all the stress of college applications, FAFSA, deadlines etc. THEY’RE STRESSED. The best thing you can do is encourage them. Get to know the colleges they want to go to and why. It honestly helps a lot.

In all, I don’t think you should ask the infamous ‘Can I get in?’, but maybe ‘Do I stand out?’ because if you stand out, admissions people will definitely remember you, which gives you a better chance of getting in, NOT a guarantee. How do you stand out? Well, no one can give you a clear answer because there isn’t one. Maybe where you’re from is a good way, but that can’t be it. But to find whether or not you stand out is something you have to figure out yourself. I hope some of you have found help in this post, and good luck to any and everyone applying!

Links:
http://www.bestcollegereviews.org/features/top-ethnically-diverse-colleges/
https://colleges.niche.com/rankings/most-diverse-colleges/

Wow. What a great summary

Thank you @sgopal2 . I misspelled big when talking about NYU… whoops.

Very insightful!! Thank you for writing this!

So do you think if a college takes a long time to give you a decision is because they rejected that application? thank you for the summary.

@ntruong2118 I’m not too sure… I believe colleges have set times of when they give out decisions and they might also come in waves (not reliant on acception or rejection, so it’s always usually a mix. You can always call and ask.

Yes I did call and my application has been reviewing for more than 3 months now. I ran over many thread saying if the college takes long time to response (my college is rolling-admission), it is a bad sign. I hope the college doesn’t treat me unfair for the amount of application fee I paid. Well either way, I am thinking of making my application strong enough for next time. Are you a transfer student?

Not yettt :wink: @ntruong2118
Are you a senior? Or already in college?

I am a transfer, freshman in college. I hope you are not a transfer. You will regret. I kinda figure out what I want to do with my life in the last month of my senior year.

Is it really that bad? I’m sort of in the same boat, because of certain events I’m constantly changing my mind… @ntruong2118

with me, it’s nightmare. I think everything is so much easier if you apply as a freshman. The college is really overlook transfer applicants. It likes whatever left over, they will think of transfer as a backup plan. Correct me if I’m wrong. This is not including when you go CC and figure out it doesn’t offer all the classes you need to finish the requirement list, and you end up didn’t get accepted into your dream school.

I’m planning to write an essay to warn people not to get into the trap of transferring. I was lured to the idea of saving money and have more time to think about my life. Yet, I can save money, but I am wasting my time. I just think it’s not worth it

Jeez I’m sorry, you should do it, let people know a different side of it because I surely didn’t see it that way. Funny, my college counselor encouraged me to transfer more than apply to my 1st choice. Question: are you simply done with transferring or are you going to try one last time?.. @ntruong2118

that what my counselor encouraged me too. I hate myself for trusting her without doing hw on my own. I am waiting the decision from the 2nd application. Maybe I will try one more time if this time I don’t get in.

Maybe we can be like transfer buddies eh? @ntruong2118

why not. Nice to meet you. If you have any question about transferring, just let me know. I’m working really hard to get out of CC and into Purdue. What school do you want to go after graduation ?

@ntruong2118 oh nice! I want to either go to USC or Stanford, but I’m going to ASU. I feel like Stanford is more of a long shot since people tell me my reason for transferring should be that my current college doesn’t offer a major that I want to study that the college I’m applying to should. I’m currently majoring in CS already so I feel like I’m screwed. Plus it’s popular at Stanford so if there’s no space there’s no space… USC on the other hand…I want to do animation and ASU does not have that so it’s like I have a better shot. What are you majoring in?

woa that sound like a good reason to transfer. I am currently majoring in Mechanical Engineering in USI, but I want to study Aerospace Engineering in Purdue. Stanford is very selective. Honestly, I don’t know what admission committees look at in a application. I wish I could find a piece of information about whatever they look at in my application. Why I got rejected? I called and emailed them asked about why I got rejected. They really treated me like “You are not my priority” Seriously?

You don’t like CS? Is it hard?

It’s not that it’s hard, I mean I’d love to do it but my environment plays a huge role in how I’ll perform in academics. I haven’t visited ASU so i don’t know if they take it seriously or not, (I know they pride themselves in innovation) I mean I bet they do take CS seriously but I’d have to see for myself. Since it’s so big there has to be a group of people that do right? I’m okay at math but I love working problems, taking things apart, putting them back together, software in general, there so much you can do with a computer, it’s crazy!
I’ve read somethings concerning transfer students in terms of admissions and how they want to know how that student will benefit the campus…I have yet to find out what makes me special because apparently what I had wasn’t enough… @ntruong2118

I think the problem is not that you aren’t good enough or have enough things to ‘entertain’ the admission committees, but depends the spaces that they have available after considering the freshman applications. As I said above “left over”

I’m planning to buy The Transfer Book to read more about applications. Literally, the book is the only source that could give me some ideas of transfer process