<p>I am a white male, attending an average public high school </p>
<p>GPA: 4.3
Rank: 4 of 325
SAT I Scores: 750 Math, 740 CR, 750 Writing
SAT II: US History 760, Bio 750, Literature 760, Math 770</p>
<p>AP Courses: Ive taken 6 AP courses and have scored mostly 5's</p>
<p>Spanish Honor Society
National Honor Society
Key Club 3 years
SOS 3 years
Student Council 3 Years
Founded Amnesty International Chapter
Debate Club</p>
<p>Crew for the last three summers</p>
<p>your stats are great! But the problem is that you are the average applicant for UPenn & Brown so you definately have a shot, but you'll have a better chance if you have a great hook/something that will stand out. Writing an outstanding essay won't hurt either ;) Good luck!</p>
<p>UPenn is more competitive than Brown but Brown is a crapshoot. Because Brown is the lowest of the Ivies, it basically ends up having to make its admissions a crapshoot so that it can keep applications coming in. </p>
<p>Your scores are similar to mine so I wish you the best of luck - I have all 4s and 5s on my APs but I'm still worried. I haven't decided which Ivies I'm applying to but I do like Dartmouth a lot. </p>
<p>Do you have any cool stories from founding Amnesty International that you could use as a hook?</p>
<p>^^ what a stupid statement! brown is NOT the lowest of the ivies. cornell is. and also, upenn and brown are equally competitive, and if you disregard wharton, brown is MORE competitive than penn</p>
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<p>There is no such thing as a "lowest Ivy." Every school has its strengths and weaknesses. However, everyone is entitled to his opinion....</p>
<p>^^ actually, there is. the vast majority of folks who are choosing between cornell and another ivy goes to the other ivy. i dare to say that cornell also has the lowest endowment or close to that</p>
<p>So, is your definition of "lowest" lowest enrollment of those accepted? "lowest" endowment? Because my definiton of highest vs lowest is in terms of hotel school ranking and engineering. Ah...it apears that your "lowest" is the "highest" in those categories. I'm not going to debate a "lowest" vs. "highest" school here. I don't want to hijack someone's chances thread.</p>
<p>I could see Penn happening and maybe Brown if you tell us a little more about yourself.</p>
<p>Brown is harder to get into than Penn. Lower acceptance rate, higher avg. SAT & GPA, etc.</p>
<p>"^^ actually, there is. the vast majority of folks who are choosing between cornell and another ivy goes to the other ivy. i dare to say that cornell also has the lowest endowment or close to that"</p>
<p>wow...i hate to do this...but what a stupid post...talk about a complex. too bad you "dared" to talk about endowment, since your statement on this useless metric is wrong. i don't go to cornell, so no ad hominem...or other fallacies plz.</p>
<p>well, karl marks, if you believe that cornell is a "higher" ivy than the rest, i respectfully disagree. let's toss the PC for a sec. endowment is not indicative of a school's place on the "ladder"? honestly, do you REALLY believe that?</p>
<p>Well, you have the stats (the ECs are a bit weak, but won't kill your chances). Both schools would be reaches for you, however, due to the crapshoot nature of their admissions processes. I'd recommend you come up with (if you haven't already) a list of 4 or more good fit & likely schools to use as back-ups in case both Brown and Penn reject you.</p>
<p>Brown is not harder to get into than Upenn. They are about equal. The only thing for certain is that Penn and Brown are harder to get into than Columbia SEAS ;)</p>
<p>you great stats there, but your an average applicant because nothing else standsout. You have great grades but your ec's are medicore. </p>
<p>You'll have a great shot if you write excellent essays and good recs. </p>
<p>Brown has this program where if you fail a class its removed from your transcript so you still can graduate =)</p>
<p>Karl Marx, Cornell is the easiest ivy to get into, but the hardest to stay in, because of its academics and Carl Sagan haunts the halls.</p>
<p>ohh my.......
dartmouth and brown, though smaller in size, have significantly smaller endowments, and columbia (and another ivy, i'm pretty sure) have a similiar size amt. And avg gpa at Cornell is 3.3+, on par if not higher than most ivies. Too much crap is spewed on CC as "truths" or whatever, which is misleading to many ppl who read these boards and need info. no one doubts that the avg. student at harvard is probably "smarter" than the avg. student at cornell, but trying to distinguish b/w "higher" and "lower" ivies, esp in the manner described, is meaningless and only furthers such misinformation.</p>
<p>You have above average stats (for the colleges in question) but ECs that leave a little to be desired. I would suggest applying ED at either school to maximize your chances.</p>
<p>how good are you at crew? good enough to be recruited? i know a guy at my school who was recruited by and accepted into upenn but turned it down because of financial reasons.</p>
<p>they are big reaches</p>