Can somebody please clear this to me?

<p>I have 2 questions:</p>

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<li><p>Is it possible to apply for a pilot in both the Air Force and the Navy after graduation? If so, how is it possible since I heard there are separate meetings for both</p></li>
<li><p>How exactly are pilot slots determined? Like is what the USAFA does? (50% academic rank, 35% military performance, and 15% physical fitness) OR is it like what the AFROTC programs do (50% commander's ranking, 15% GPA, 15% physical fitness, etc.)</p></li>
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<p>More information is on here How</a> to Become a Fighter Pilot in the United States Air Force, Page 3 of 3 - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com</p>

<p>But, I need to know exactly what percentage they take into account because by the way I'm seeing it, the USAFA and AFROTCs have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ways of determing of who becomes a pilot.</p>

<p>First off, word of advice: Don’t play the odds game, just do your best and see where things end up.</p>

<p>Second, yes it is possible to become an AF pilot or Navy pilot out of KP. The class of '09 had an AF pilot.</p>

<p>Usually, for pilot slots, most people apply for the Navy ones first. Considering 15-20 people go for it a year, 10 get the Navy slots (for pilot, anyone who doesn’t get it is usually offered NFO). Those who don’t get Navy will often apply for Army or Marine Corps slots. The reason the haven’t gone AF is becasuse in the past, you had to obligate to the AF at the beginning of the junior year. This however has changed.</p>

<p>On a side note… if you are applying to KP purely for want of becoming a pilot. Don’t waste your, or anyone elses time. Let someone who wants to join the maritime industry or at least someone who is thinking about it take the slot. While, even I admit to not have believed this completely for the past few years, it really is true. Now you may end up wanting to sail commercially, but from your post, it seems this is farthest from your mind.</p>

<p>314 has excellent advice. You should strongly consider it.
Remember, 4 academic years in 3 calendar years (w/extra work sea year thrown in), and same material covered in shorter timeframes.
Sheesh. NO route to pilot is a cakewalk, but I’m hard pressed to think of a more challenging route.
Think hard on this.</p>

<p>the_yeti2351 I sent you a PM</p>

<p>If I can offer an idea that splits the difference. From KP you can become a pilot for any service, including Coast Guard.
Because of the year at sea, KP basically squeezes 4 years of school into 3 years of classes and is considered by many to be the toughest of the Academies, especially if you don’t really want to be there. The academic majors there are few and specialized around Maritime Support. At ANY Academy, it will be tough. Statistically, attending a school where you don’t have an interest in the major or Graduation jobs, well the odds of finishing the first summer would be low.
Like they said, think hard and go in well informed. If you present this logic at your KP interview, you may get the same response you’ve seen above. You want to go to a place where you look forward to something. USNA, USAFA and even ROTC might be a better fit for aviation only desires, but only you will know for sure.
Best of luck!
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<p>Yeti,</p>

<p>Let me offer some advice from someone who has been out of the Academy for a while and some perspective on the bigger picture with respect to what KP has to offer - as well as what you need to consider if you want to become a military pilot.</p>

<p>First, the thought that KP’s only mission is to provide licensed officers for the US Merchant Marine is one that you hear from time to time, but it is simply not true. Kings Pointers have served on active duty in the military, including as pilots, since the Academy was established. Simply flip through our alumni magazine (the Kings Pointer) and you’ll see dozens of photos of military pilots in every single edition - as well as Surface Warfare Officers, Submariners, Intel Officers, Soldiers, Coasties and Marines. The Academy takes pride in our diversity and uses it as a major selling point with both prospective students and with Congress (they pay the bills and are interested in the return on investment).</p>

<p>You will not find a single institution that offers a wider array of opportunities - hands down!

  • Free education
  • Active Duty OR civilian employment
  • Commission in ANY branch of service
  • and something for YOU to consider… What if you go to USNA/USAFA and don’t get picked up for pilot? What will you do? At KP, if you don’t get picked up - apply again, and again and again - if you still don’t get it… do something you want to do, rather than be burdened with a service contract in a field you don’t want to be in. Hell - sail for a year and buy your own plane!</p>

<pre><code>The other posts are not off the mark… KP’s CORE mission is to train officers for a career in maritime industry as either Marine Engineers or as Deck Officers in support of national defense - that is why the taxpayer pays for your education. You will not be trained to be an aviator at USMMA - BUT here is a blinding flash of the obvious… you won’t be trained to be a pilot at USAFA or USNA either! The majors at KP are all structured around the maritime industry, but this should not discourage you. The Navy, for obvious reasons, values the education and skills you acquire in these majors, and so do the other services.
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<p>Don’t forget that being a pilot, regardless of service, is only the beginning…you will be required to be much much more as you progress in your future career. Most junior folks think that your warfare specialty is your only job - not true… You will have many jobs as you progress in the military - rotating between your warfare community and general staff/support work, flying jobs and non-flying jobs. Your main job, even in a flying tour as a pilot in the navy, will not be as a pilot! On average you’ll get a few hours of flying a week but many more hours as a manger, an avionics officer, a safety officer, a maintenance officer, etc… Everyone has a job besides being a pilot. A strong background in the sciences, logistics, engineering have afforded Kings Pointers an advantage over those from other Academies/ROTCs. Your professional education and training as a mariner will make you unique and valuable. There will be dozens of USNA grads in your squadron, and dozens of ROTC grads with poly-sci, history and English degrees - you will be the only logistics expert (a fact that will not be lost on your future COs).</p>

<p>So here is the bottom line: If you get accepted to KP you will have the same chance as everyone else at KP to go on to a career as a pilot, and unlike USNA and USAFA most of your classmates will NOT want to be pilots - most won’t want to go on active duty. </p>

<p>Here is another flash - many of your classmates when you report will want to be pilots and almost all of them will wind up doing something else. In my class, none of the hard-core pilot wanabe plebes actually became pilots - they found better jobs at sea - paying more money with a better quality of life. Most of the guys that became pilots in the military did so after they were exposed to aviation as a midshipman at KP, or because they could not find work…</p>

<p>Here is my best advice: VISIT THE ACADEMY!!! Go in person. Be a “drag” (a candidate that gets to spend the night and go to classes with the mids). When you get to KP ask to visit the Naval Science Department and USAF Rep and get the facts.</p>

<p>I was dead-set on USNA and my congressman had a rule that no one got a nomination unless they had visited the Academy they were applying to. He further told me that he would not offer me a nomination to USNA unless I also agreed to visit USMMA. After my trip, I never completed my application to Annapolis - I was dead-set on USMMA!</p>

<p>Good luck,</p>

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<p>Yeti:</p>

<pre><code>Like usmmecom, I bring the perspective of one who graduated KP long ago (27 years and counting). I am on my second career and as usmmecom notes there are many who graduate KP and pursue careers in every walk of military life. That said I am on the side of everyone else here, if you have no inclination whatsoever of even considering what is indeed the primary mission of the USMMA, I would think it is a long, hard raod to travel to your destination.
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<p>Go on a visit, take a good hard luck at the it and consider your options, I would think if you do you’ll jaust as likely pursue the other paths to your goal as you will applying to KP.</p>

<p>usmmecom:</p>

<p>Thank you for elaborating on your answer. You brought a lot of insight to the academy to me. I already did an overnight visit at the academy and overall it REALLY is a beautiful academy. I love the ethics there, atmosphere, classrooms. I also did the MMA spend a summer day there and spoke with the AF administrator and just judging by the way I talked to him, he did not seem too optimistic about me obtaining a pilot slot (this is just what i though, my dad thought otherwise). But, I really want to become an aviator so I would be willing to either take the Navy or Air Force aviation careers. But, would it even be possible to apply to BOTH the Navy and Air Force. The reason I’m saying this is because, I saw that you have to go to special meetings based upon which branch of service you want to go into. So would that mean I would have to go to both Navy and Air Force meetings? </p>

<p>Is all of this possible or would it just be easier to go to an AFROTC unit?</p>

<p>Also, how exactly do they administrate the selection process for pilots, is it like how the USAFA does it or is it like the AFROTC?</p>

<p>USMMECOM,</p>

<p>Well Said!</p>

<p>luv2fly</p>

<p>Bravo USMMECOM! That post should be required reading for any considering the USMMA. My son is in Class 2013 - we are still just beginning to understand all of the possibilities!</p>