<p>If so, do you retain the med school acceptance?</p>
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<p>Yes, you can apply to other med schools. I think that you lose your spot at NEOUCOM though.</p>
<p>^O well that sucks? What’s the point of going to NEOUCOM if you lose your spot if you apply out. That pretty much means just going to a sucky UG.r Are you sure?</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure because my brother’s friend (both in the program) thought about applying to other medical schools, but didn’t because he didn’t want to lose his spot. The only reason to apply out is if you have a good MCAT. Besides, it doesn’t really matter where you go to med school as long as your USMLE scores are good.</p>
<p>Well, I want a top residency and NEOUCOM sucks as a med school.</p>
<p>“O well that sucks? What’s the point of going to NEOUCOM if you lose your spot if you apply out. That pretty much means just going to a sucky UG.”</p>
<p>-You are only 2 years in UG there. </p>
<p>"Well, I want a top residency and NEOUCOM sucks as a med school. "</p>
<p>-I personally know someone who got into Mayo residency after NEOUCOM. Well, it might not be top residency for you. It is top for many as I know another person whose husband quit an awesome job and found another one in MN to be with her when she got into Mayo residency. Again, it still might not be top in your mind. You got to decide.</p>
<p>One note is that absolutely any UG is good enough and very tough for the very top caliber kids from private prep. HS’s. And many of them will not survive pre-med track, yes, at state schools. Also, absolutely any American Med. School is good enough to get you into the very top residency. It is all up to you, name of your school will not do the job, wrong assumption.</p>
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<em>sigh</em> Folks believe what they want to believe. </p>
<p>As a premed, you think a “top ranked med school” is the ultimate achievement when in fact it’s still simply base camp and the real mountain looms ahead in the form of Step 1 and networking and research, among other things that actually matter to residency directors. It’s also a fact that regionality matters at some places. You don’t have to go to med school necessarily at the place you want to do residency, but if you want to do your residency in, say, Nebraska, a program director isn’t going to take you particularly seriously if you never lived in Nebraska and don’t have a strong nexus to that location. </p>
<p>The Anesthesiologist I shadowed was the program director who told me that they will not even look at top applicants from top distant state med schools because there’s a high likelihood that the person is simply casting a wide net and likely won’t rank the program highly. PDs also sometimes won’t look at certain med schools, even high ranking ones, because they’ve been burned by applicants year after year who feign interest and yet don’t actually rank the program highly.</p>
<p>I also would suggest that there are huge flaws with how premeds interpret the ranking of a medical school, and suggest that every post above that suggests that “XYZ is not highly ranked and I want a top residency. Ergo, I will not apply to XYZ” is operating under multiple very questionable and even flawed assumptions. These ranks probably shouldn’t be a big factor in anyone’s analysis of where to apply. </p>
<p>Search for threads on the Student Doctor Network and you will see lots of posts by residents explaining why ranking isn’t relevant or useful to premeds, who neither know what the good programs are, nor do they really know what people were shooting for in terms of residency, just what they got. Often a match list that looks great to a premed can still be one where most of the class feels they came up short, and sometimes a list that isn’t as impressive might actually represent everyone in the school’s dream first choice.</p>
<p>Here’s a link for the NEOUCOM Class of 2009 and where they are going for residency.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/PubRel/pdf/WebMatches.pdf[/url]”>http://www.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/PubRel/pdf/WebMatches.pdf</a> </p>
<p>As long as your USMLE scores are good, you can get into a good residency. It doesn’t really matter to which med school you went to.</p>
<p>^Exactly the point.</p>
<p>"It’s also a fact that regionality matters at some places. "</p>
<p>-I hope that this one is true. I wish that my D. who just started at her Med. School will eventually get into residency there (at one of the most prestious hospitals in a world)</p>
<p>As a side note: That’s a pretty comprehensive match list. :P</p>
<p>So if 2 applicants are the same. One from Harvard one from NEOUCOM, you’re telling me they’re equal? Doubt it. The Harvard guy will win.</p>
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<p>I would suggest that premeds are not in a good position to determine how well a Harvard applicant would “do” against a NEOUCOM applicant. I’ve already outlined what residency directors care about the most. It seems like you didn’t even read my initial post. </p>
<p>They are different in every specialty. And they often don’t track what are perceived as the big name med schools. Every academic center is going to be good in some things, outright lousy and malignant in others. You do yourself a big disservice if you decide X is a “big name” and so it is good. It might be good for IM, and peds, but be among the worst choices for, say, gen surg or anesthesiology. Another place may be among the top programs for ortho, but scraping the bottom of the barrel for OBGYN. As a premed you don’t know what is a “top” program. Even as a med student, you probably will only have a strong idea of what are the “top” programs in the specialty you are ultimately targeting, because you won’t take the time to get the word of mouth about what’s the hierarchy in other specialties. So to do a side by side analysis of two programs to see which has better luck with big name programs assumes you actually know which those programs are in each field. Few to no premeds do. So it’s a big waste of time. </p>
<p>I also would suggest that if a person gets a bona fide big name match, but it wasn’t where he wanted, that’s not necessarily the positive sign that someone reading a match list as a premed thinks it is. Let’s say someone from Harvard wanted derm or rad onc, but threw in a few big name IM programs as fallbacks. Or someone for family or other reasons really wanted a certain locale for residency, but threw in a big name place low on his rank list. He could have gotten bumped from his desired specialty or locale, and backed into the big name program you see. A premed reading the list would see a big name program, and consider it a positive. But for all you know this wasn’t even in the top handful of choices for this applicant. Or maybe the big name place is everyone’s least favorite option because it’s known as malignant. As a premed you won’t know this. As an applicant plugged into the word of mouth, you would. </p>
<p>There are numerous other reasons why school ranks and match lists are not as useful as premeds like to think. The most important is that you never know what the people actually wanted, you just see what they actually got. So you don’t know if people from NEOUCOM were aiming high and falling down, if people from Harvard were aiming low and hitting the target, or if people from both were getting exactly what they wanted, etc. And you don’t really know if that mediocre IM program was someone’s fall back, or if that person had the numbers for derm but chose to do something in a different specialty and in a particular locale instead.</p>
<p>Okay, so what is NEOUCOM “top” in and how do i find this out?</p>
<p>dude you’re not even making any sense. Harvard Med school is better than NEOUCOM. If I want a residency that is let’s say derm at Harvard, it’s better to have gone to JH than to NEOUCOM. Is that hard to understand?</p>
<p>You clearly don’t read. What I’ve said in a nutshell that matters:</p>
<p>-Step 1.
-Step 2 CK.
-LCME re-accreditation every 7 years. (I think they’ve recently changed it to every 8 years)</p>
<p>There are rigid national standards that we all have to follow. As a result, allopathic medical education in the US is fairly homogenous.</p>
<p>I stand by what I said that you do not know what you are talking about and that you are a derp. I tried explaining it to you, but apparently that was even too hard to understand. :)</p>
<p>They look at USMLE scores, not where you’re coming from. </p>
<p>Analogy: If Kobe Bryant played for the Cleveland Cavaliers, he isn’t a worse player. By the same train of thought, it doesn’t matter what medical school you’re coming from, as long as you are highly qualified. Does going to a better medical school mean that you are more highly qualified? Not necessarily. Is it better to do good in a [bad] medical school or bad in a good medical school? </p>
<p>In addition, once you get out of NEOUCOM you’re going to be two years younger than the person coming out of JHU. Which one makes you seem smarter?</p>
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<p>I’m curious as to what you’d perceive as a [bad] medical school in the United States, considering that all of them produce competent physicians (except for the few in between that were dumb as rocks and shouldn’t have been in medical school altogether). Now if you’re talking caribbean, that is a different story.</p>
<p>No need to get mad, brah. If you’ve read anything I’ve said, it’s that the name or rank of your medical school (in the United States) does not matter. Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean they aren’t true.</p>