Canadian Schools

<p>nbachris, the biggest difference between U of T, Queens, and McGill is probably their respective locations. U of T and McGill both are urban campuses and Queens is in a smaller city, about equi-distant to Toronto and Montreal. Going to Queens if you're from the U.S. will present the travel issues that Ontario and Quebec residents won't have. You'd have to go to the airports in either Toronto or Montreal to get flights to and from home. Each city is approximately a three hour drive from Kingston where Queens is located. </p>

<p>Yes, U of T is a large uni but it really doesn't have the feel of one. It's run on the college system which means that every student is a member of one of the ten colleges and this dictates housing, scholarships, dining halls, etc. Classes however can be taken university wide. It's a system that works to create a much closer feeling of community than one would think at such a large school. Also the campus in Toronto , although in the middle of the city, is fairly well self-contained and is actually smaller in area than that of York University which is in the northern part of the city, which is completely self contained. Toronto will offer pretty much everything a large American city would, including professional sports in NHL, NBA, and MLB, if that's important to you. </p>

<p>McGill is also in a city environment but the city of Montreal is quite different than Toronto. It is, as I'm sure you know, a French city, although McGill is an English institution. Montreal is a beautiful and cosmopolitan city but the province, as a whole, has fallen on hard economic times in recent years, and this has been reflected in reduced funding to the Quebec universities. Some people feel uncomfortable living in the city if they do not speak French, but I doubt that any students would find this a problem. </p>

<p>Queens is in Kingston, a small city on the shores of Lake Ontario. It's a more traditional college town with a beautiful campus and more of a reputation for having a party-type student population from affluent families. Obviously, reputations are not always entirely accurate but you will find less diversity at Queens, probably, than you will at either U of T or McGill. </p>

<p>If weather is a concern for you, Montreal has the longest and most snow-filled winters of the three, with Kingston second, and Toronto last. </p>

<p>If you're interested in the arts, then U of T is definitely the top choice of those three. They are well-known for their programs in drama and music. There are hundreds of opportunities for performance both in class and extra-curricularly. They have many wonderful theatres available for their drama students and the performances I've seen have been excellent. The same goes for their music students. Toronto itself will provide you with many more cultural and artistic events than either Kingston or Montreal. There is a large theatre community there and every big Broadway-type tour visits there. This doesn't happen in Kingston, due to size, and not in Montreal due to language.
This was a big concern for my D3 who has applied this year so I'm very familiar with that aspect of the comparison. :)</p>

<p>Academically, you'll get a good education at any of the three. The fact that U of T has a huge endowment (unheard of at Canadian universities) makes it a good choice in that they have the $$ to have several new expansion projects on the go, so their facilities are more extensive and up to date than McGill's, and they also offer more scholarships per capita than either of the others. The dorms we visited at each were clearly much nicer at U of T and Queens than at McGill. McGill seemed to have a lot of buildings in great need of repair and/or renovation.</p>

<p>I don't think you can go wrong with either location; Toronto, Montreal, and Kingston are all awesome places... just in their own ways... </p>

<p>Kingston is a college town, but it is not "rural": its population is 113,000. It has entertainment, shops, museums, libraries, marinas, etc. The town has much history, as a main port in Canada when it was being settled, and the flavour of the town is a blend of old and new (culture, architecture). It is quite a nice town. It is situated on Lake Ontario, halfway between Toronto and Montreal, Canada's two largest cities. Also in Kingston is "RMC" (Royal Military College), Canada's equivalent of Westpoint, (the two are rivals in sports, hockey). The Queens campus is very nice. In Canada, Queens is highly respected. I don't think it has the same cache in the States because of its smaller size, among other reasons. Queens is known as the Canadian university most like American ones. It has a "college"-like atmosphere. The community is tight, and the "Queens pride" is well known. There are many good programs at Queens, but, since I am more of a humanities/social science person than science, and have researched these areas, I can say that the political science program at Queens is top-notch. Engineering, Commerce/Business, are also programs that immediately come to mind.</p>

<p>Montreal is also an awesome city, which attracts many Canadian students to McGill, (the drinking age is 18). The city--and people in it--are steeped in culture. Montr</p>

<p>any kind of insights (whether from first- hand experience OR rumor!) are much appreciated as we await word from UBC. UBC is her first choice, over the American schools to which she has also applied- but the idea of studying in Canada was so appealing for many reasons that she also investigated Simon Fraser and UVic. She would like to stay on the West Coast. We visited UBC, but not the others...many thanks</p>

<p>"VTboy. Where did you get that information? Canadian universities like Mcgill and Uof T are research intensive universities and are world class in their field. There was a recent science magazine that listed U of T as the one of the best universities in the world to do research. Insulin among other medical breakthroughs were discovered here. You really should go back and recheck your facts."</p>

<p>It is one of the best in Canada but not the world. The UCSF spends almost twice as much on medical research alone than UT does on all of its research. UCSF isn't even amoung the top in research spending in the U.S. Schools Like UCLA, UCB, John Hopkins, Harvard, MIT, ect all spend a great deal more and do a great deal more research than UT. </p>

<p>FYI, UCSF is the University of California San Francisco.</p>

<p>Perhaps it would be helpful in the discussion if you can provide links to the information you have posted here regarding the differences in research $$. If the information exists and you've read it, then please share. :) It is, I must say, a little silly to compare U of T with UCSF, though. They are entirely different types of institutions. UCSF is strictly a researched based school focussing only on biomedical research and health science. To compare that to a university which offers hundreds of different types of programs doesn't make much sense. It's doubtful that a student interested in one would also be interested in the other.</p>

<p>alwaysamom,</p>

<p>When I said arts, I did not mean the performing arts, I just meant arts in general (as in a BA). You mentioned music and drama so I thought you were under the impression I wanted to become a singer, dancer, or an actor, which is not true. I was referring to arts to mean things such as languages, history, social sciences, etc.</p>

<p>Since you said "THE arts", that's what I assumed you meant. In any case, arts or humanities, as it's usually referred to at U of T, is also very good. Here's a link to various and assorted articles on the subject.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/arts_and_humanities.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/arts_and_humanities.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>VT boy, the magazine ( The Scientist: November issue) listed U of T as THE best outside of the U.S in the world for scientists to do research NOT the best in Canada. Just because a university doesn't pour money into research as much as some U.S. universities does not mean it's not research focussed. And your figures probably have more to do with grants. All Canuck schools are publicly funded and so most of the funding comes from government transfers. If you look at private grants then it seems like Canadian universities don't have the research funding but it may not be necessarily true.</p>

<p>sorry for the delay...start of semester busyness.</p>

<p>For all who didn't know, I make no claims to objectivity. I am a McGill martlet through and through ;)</p>

<p>However I will acknoledge that academics and research wise, U of T is superior to McGill. However we have the better social life ;) actually, I have nothing on which to base that claim, having never actually been to Toronto. Just according to all my friends that I have there, it seems like the students at McGill are happier. </p>

<p>someone asked about UBC....coming from Seattle, I was very torn between UBC and McGill. I actually came to CC seeking advice about that decision. UBC has a lot going for it--it's a school that seems to be really vibrant, they're expanding, it's in a really beautiful location, and it's got teriffic science and business departments. Their freshman dorm options are extremely limited and really crappy, according to people I know there. And you're not in downtown Vancouver...at least I think you have to take a quick bus ride to get to the city. It's got a large international population but most of the internationals are asians, whereas back east you get a more diverse international student population. </p>

<p>About McGill's arts program, I know a lot more about the science and business programs, but I know in certain arts fields we're quite strong (like linguistics, for instance, as well as french. I think our literature and history programs and polisci are good too). However McGill isn't great for fine arts. We have a good music school, though it's smaller than U of T's, but for the rest of the fine arts, most McGill students take courses at Concordia, which is a much more fine arts type of scohol. </p>

<p>cheers!
noelle</p>

<p>Dear Noelle,</p>

<p>Dear Noelle,
Thank you for your information regarding UBC- especially since you are from Seattle! We are in Washington state, too. Did you apply to American schools, too? Were you accepted at both UBC and McGill? My daughter is anxiously waiting to hear from UBC- it is taking a long time, since she has already been accepted at the US universities, which is adding to her stress...I thought the dorm was very nice when we visited- clean, etc. So overall- as an American, has this been a good choice for you? Many thanks!</p>

<p>Very cool :) I'm from Issaquah, to be specific ;)</p>

<p>I was accepted at both McGill and UBC with a 31 ACT, 1320 SAT (though I can't recall if I sent this to McGill), and a 3.99 GPA. I also applied to Western Washington University, and was accepted. Didn't apply to UW because I had a couple negative experiences with events on the campus, and call me stupid, but just the whole feel of the campus had very negative connotations for me. </p>

<p>I applied to mainly canadian schools, because I didn't really want to go to a public school in Washington State, and it's cheaper to go to Canada than to go to private school/public school out of state.</p>

<p>Canadian universites are late to respond...drove me absolutely crazy. McGill didn't get back to me until MAY. </p>

<p>I have absolutely loved McGill so far...definitely thought I made the right choice. I love the experience of living in an environment so different than Seattle...getting to know so many people from different cultures (your D will have that at UBC too), have found the course work to be doable but difficult (got a 3.4 last semester), and have been very impressed with my profs so far. Really couldn't be happier. </p>

<p>There are rumours I've heard on the net about anti american feelings being projected towards Americans on canadian campuses, and as far as McGill goes, in my experience that's simply not been the case. Neither has it been a problem for my american friends at U of T. Wouldn't imagine it being a problem at UBC either. I've found both the canadians and other international students to be really friendly and welcoming. Whether or not they agree with the US's politics, they have been very good at being accepting--treating everyone as an individual and not stereotyping them based on the country they come from. </p>

<p>Best of luck to your daughter!! What other American schools did she apply to?</p>

<p>I'm a Canadian citizen, but I live in the US. If I want to attend grad. school in the US, would it be better for me to go to and undergrad. school in the US or Canada? (The only Canadian school I applied to was McGill). Would it be easier for me to get into a good grad. school if I went to college in Canada or the US?</p>

<p>hard to say without stats or what schools you're considering. Obviously, if you go to an ivy league school, your chances at getting into a good grad school are better than going to a school like McGill. However a better way to look at it is by going to McGill you'll be saving a TON of money for your undergrad that you can then apply to grad studies. Employers care mainly about your last place of education...therefore it would be better to go and do undergrad wherever and do very very well, then apply to a top notch grad school, and get a masters from there, than to do undergrad at a prestigious school and then masters at a not so prestigious school. </p>

<p>However if money is no object for you, then it would probably be better to do undergrad at a top US school. However, like I said earlier, unless it were an ivy league or very top notch school, it wouldn't be much of a difference.</p>

<p>Yes, I am from Calgary. A lot cleaner than T.O, I have been there.
About the smog thing... it was meant to be analysed...
smog (even in small amounts) = some pollution = big city = lots of people
I should have elaborated. The main reason I wouldn't go to U of T is because it is much too big for me. I hear there are lots of commuters and it wouldn't have as close of a campus feel as Queen's, let's say. If I did go anywhere in a major city, it would be McGill, because I love the liberal and cultural feel of Montreal. I am just not a T.O girl, but hey, not everyone is.</p>

<p>could a 3.5/4 and 1300 (560v 740m) get in UBC, Mcgill , Toronto or waterloo for Engineering??
i posted my stats before
SAT2: 710m2c 630 chem 540 writing</p>

<p>EC's : President of Environmental/recycling club. weekly volunteer, math league, honor societies. and a couple more</p>

<p>only thing is that im not any IB diploma. instead 6 Certificates 3HL in Math, Phyiscs and History</p>

<p>Also, how are the english classes up there. Im worried i might not do good comin from a US public school</p>

<p>Im worried i might not do good comin from a US public school</p>

<p>Do well, you mean...</p>

<p>there you go.. my point exactly!</p>

<p>stats
GCE advanced level Math Accounts economics business english
high school gpa 3.5
toefl 283<br>
ecs
president of school student council
volunteer
internship at a bank in summer
and many sport etc etc</p>

<p>mcgill has received all my documents and is reviewing my app..</p>

<p>ive applied to uft, uwo, mcmaster, mcgill, waterloo (all in canada)</p>

<p>wht are my chances in mcgill and uft ??
<em>really worried abt mcgill</em></p>