Canadian Universities

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>After having read previous threads regarding Canadian universities it seems like many people are confused or have incorrect information about admission policies for Canadian schools. I have worked for several universities in Canada, and also having been a student in a Canadian university I will provide the most common questions and answers that many people have.</p>

<p>The first is the distinction between a college and university in Canada. The two are not the same. Universities offer only Bachelors degrees, Masters degrees and Ph.D. degrees (there are no such things as associate degrees in Canada). Colleges do not offer degrees of any kind (a small few have been granted the right to offer one or two degree programs but they are very limited) what they do offer is Diplomas and Certificates....so this would be something for someone who wanted to be a mechanic, plumber, electrician....etc. Graduating from a college, you wouldnt be able to do any further post-grad programs (like a Masters of Ph.D.) you would actually have to go to university and finish a Bachelors degree.</p>

<p>College: the programs are more technical in nature, the required grades to get in are a lot lower and requirements to graduate are a lot lower as well. Absolutely no advanced high school classes are required to be admitted in a college in Canada. (in fact many people that I went to high school with that didnt care about school, or good grades ended up in a college.....and usually had a slim chance of finding employment after graduation.....most ended up doing work that they could have entered by dropping out of high school).</p>

<p>Universities: the programs are more scientific and research oriented, the required grades to get in are very high, and is extremely competitive. Advanced level high school courses are a requirements for admission. The employment outlook.....with a bachelors degree....is 50:50 (when I graduated with my B.Sc. in biology it took me 2 years to find work in the same field)....with a Masters degree (guaranteed employement in your field in 1 - 3 months)....with a Ph.D. (guaranteed high salaried employment in your field within 1 week of graduation).</p>

<p>Admissions for universities: highly competitive! Ninety-nine percent of canadian high school students with a grade average in the 70% (B-) or GPA of 3.0 range will not get in. Most schools say minimum grade average requirement is 75% (B) or GPA of 3.2 , anything below that point and the application is automatically thrown out. But because its so competitive you are not guaranteed admission unless you have 85%-87% (A) or GPA of 4.0, some programs like engineering have cut-off limits of 92% (A+) so chances are really slim for admission into those programs unless your average is higher.
SAT/ACT are not looked at and are not required at all. But the important thing to note is that your entire high school background is counted. This means if you slacked off in the first 2 years of high school and got poor grades, eventhough you worked hard in the final 2 years the chances of getting admitted are really low!</p>

<p>Heres a GPA Conversion Table:
Percentage = Grade Point
100 = 4.00
99 = 4.00
98 = 4.00
97 = 4.00
96 = 4.00
95 = 4.00
94 = 4.00
93 = 4.00
92 = 4.00
91 = 4.00
90 = 4.00
89 = 4.00
88 = 4.00
87 = 4.00
86 = 4.00
85 = 4.00
84 = 3.94
83 = 3.88
82 = 3.82
81 = 3.76
80 = 3.70
79 = 3.60
78 = 3.50
77 = 3.40
76 = 3.30
75 = 3.20 </p>

<p>For Graduate (Masters or Ph.D.) studies: a 4 year bachelors degree is required for all universities. Associates degree are not accepted at all, in fact the universities in Canada dont even consider an associates degree as a "degree". Cut-offs for 98% of Grad. programs is 80% (A) or GPA of 3.70. Anything below will be thrown out. This is even more competitive than the undergrad programs. Admissions is given to exceptional students that show promise in their field. And most universities will give someone even more consideration if they completed their undergrad from the same university. </p>

<p>For both undergrad and grad studies, the other importanyt thing to note is that the actual number grade is looked at not the alpha (ex: 75% is looked at, not the B or B+). So if your school says a 75% is an A in the school, the universities in Canada dont look at it that way.</p>

<p>Cost wise: yes some programs are cheaper than US schools, but you have to remember that you pay the international student tuition, not the domestic one. So most Canadian universities set the prices of its international tuition fees to match as closely the US ones.</p>

<p>Priority for admission: Canadian citizens are given priority for admission. The overall percentage of international students in a university is 3%. So remember you are fighting to get a spot in the 3% range, so it might be even harder to get admitted than actually applying to an US Ivey league school. </p>

<p>Since no SAT/ACT or other standardized tests are required the main focus is academic grades. So even if you have a pretty good grade average, and have a really excellent extracurricular background, that wont matter if there is someone else applying for the same thing and has no extracurricular background but has a higher grade average because that person would be admitted over you.</p>

<p>Awards: The awards, scholarships are the hardest thing to get out of everything! Say you have a 90% average.....at most you'd get is $2000 or $3000 maximum for the four years of study. Now if you have an average that is in the 96% to 100% range then you would get $9000 to $11000. Again some universities dont give awards to international students no matter how high your grades are, and in fact many candian students with really high grades receive no award or scholarship at all.</p>

<p>Residence: Again this depends on the university. Some only offer guaranteed residence spaces for canadian citizens only. The the costs can vary from really cheap to really expensive.</p>

<p>I hope this clarifies some things for people that are wondering about Canadian schools.</p>

<p>David</p>

<p>First, thank you for the info. This probably took you some time, so I'd like to give this a bump to give some prospective students a chance to read over this. </p>

<p>However, there are a few fallacies in your post that may mislead these students.
1. Students with an average under 70% still have chance at universities, just not at the "top-tier" (if there is a such thing in Canada) ones.
2. Admissions at top canadian schools are not even close to being as competitive as those at the ivies, not even for internationals
3. Scholarships are awarded based on extracurricular activities AND academic achievements</p>

<p>True generally admission in Canadian schools is not as tight as that in the iveis. There ARE some exceptions thought. In Queen's for Biz, there are 300 slots. I think last Year Applicant number was over 4000, nearly 5000. Of course, only 300 got into biz.
Thought that is only Biz. There are like 1,100 slots for arts so on and so forth. I think it totals to around 2500-3500 enrollment, at Queen's. </p>

<p>So canada is not always your easy way into college.</p>

<p>no, 300 is the enrollment......... they don't have a 100% yield</p>

<p>Actually in canada they don't look at your academic records for all 4 years. They only take marks in your TOP 6 grade 12 university level courses. I know this because I slacked off completely in the first 3 years of highschool and in my final year pulled off a 94 average.oh yea and 90+ averages are not given out in Canada like they are in the states. We have serious grade deflation in our highschools and especially in our universities. </p>

<p>Lastly, it is true that Canadian schools pretty much base their decisions on marks. But this is not the case if you want scholarships or applied to top business schools such as Queens and Schulich where essays/reference letters/ECS are all looked at.</p>

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<p>David, interesting post. Just wanted to add that some Canadian universities DO require U.S. students to take SATs. I have kids in college/uni in both countries and it is interesting to see the similarities and differences in their experiences.</p>

<p>Hmm.. interested with the topic, I have one question though. I have just chosen UMichigan over McGill and UoT for Chemical Engineering, I'm an international student. Was it a wise decision or should I choose Canadian Univ instead ? Thanks for the response.</p>

<p>michigan is awesome in the sciences, but if you are paying full freight, you are wasting money</p>

<p>yea...Mcgill would be more value for your money. Nevertheless, Michigan is a great school.</p>

<p>david1979:
undergrad at can. universities aren't competitive at all (with a few exceptions). all of my friends with 75% and up in grade 12 made it in...
canada is nothing compared to the states in terms of education, money, and research.</p>

<p>its true, lindsayrees, and does a Canadian student have a disadvantage on the admission process to a US college? and how big is it? in the case of financial aid and non financial aid</p>

<p>for financial aid i think it depends on the school, for ivies they are usually not merit based but need based.
i've been told on this website though that the international admission pool is tough, and the whole applying to be in the states for a few years is irritating.
i wouldn't know too much about it right now, because I am taking an extra year to work, so that i have the financial ability to go to my dream school in the states, but university websites can point you out to the procedure :)</p>

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