Carleton vs. Macalester for a physics major

<p>Hello, I'm planning on attempting to transfer from my current college to either of these two schools. In the fortunate event that I would be accepted at both, I wouldn't really know which one I would prefer.</p>

<p>My current major is physics, and I would most likely not be changing it before I graduate. Although I'm not sure of what I want to do post-college by any means, my desires are pointing themselves toward grad school in astronomy or atmospheric/environmental science, and if I do decide to pursue this, I'd like to be as competitive of an applicant as I possibly could. Carleton, from what I've observed, seems more geared towards science than Macalester, whereas Macalester's strengths are more pronounced in social science. I'm only basing this off of my own vague impressions of the schools, however. What I definitively do know is that Carleton produces twice the number of science doctorates as Macalester (525 vs. 268 respectively, from 1997-2006)* and also has an observatory, but I've heard somewhere that students at Mac are able to access research opportunities, classes on specific topics and such at the U of M, which is a pretty significant advantage as well.</p>

<p>Academics are probably the most important factor in my decision, but if it turns out that the difference is ultimately negligible, the social environment of the schools would come next. I think that I would prefer Macalester, personally, as someone who is excited by the Twin Cities and an "edgier" student body. However, I know that interesting people and access to the Cities are available at Carleton as well, which complicates this decision. </p>

<p>Thank you for reading!</p>

<p>(By the way, I'm also well aware of how ridiculously competitive transfer admission is to these schools -- no need to bring it up here.)</p>

<p>*<a href="http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/nsf08311.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/nsf08311.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>the nsf maintains better data in its webcaspar system (webcaspar.nsf.gov). </p>

<p>i wouldnt say that this data should impact your decision too significantly, but the differences in earned phds in the subjects in which you are interested are stark.</p>

<p>physics: 35 carleton alums have earned phds in the subject in the last 10 years compared to 7 from macalester.</p>

<p>astronomy: 14 from carleton and 3 from macalester.</p>

<p>atmospheric science: 5 from carleton and none from macalester.</p>

<p>the grand total is something like 54-10.</p>

<p>i cant speak to the specific opportunities at macalester, but i would spend some more time evaluating the opportunities there and thinking about how feasible (and desirable) taking classes at minnesota might be. (commuting six miles in a city to a school on a potentially different academic and daily schedule could turn into a mess.)</p>

<p>Carleton is one of the best LACs for science, in not only research capabilities, but in (as aforementioned) the amount of grad students they send away as well.
If academics is your main criteria, I'd choose Carleton with no hesitation.
Good luck with admissions! =)</p>

<p>I'd have to say Carleton College. Their sceinces are among the best anywhere, and many Carleton graduates go on to earn PhD's. Of all the liberal arts schools in the country, Carleton's undergrads were recently awarded the highest number of National Science Foundation fellowships for graduate students.</p>

<p>I will apply for both and major in physics or chemistry. But carleton is definately my first choice.</p>