<p>Well then Hawkette, would you agree that Columbia and Brown are peers of Carnegie Mellon as well? Carnegie Mellon students make more than Columbia and Brown students on average, according to the payscale rankings.</p>
<pre><code> $111,000, Carnegie Mellon
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<p>19 , $109,000 , Brown</p>
<p>21 , $107,000 , Columbia</p>
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absolutely not. Stanford actually produce more CS, EE people. Most engineers who work are people with a MSEE from Stanford (undergraduate from China, India, Europe, etc...). Their MS program is a lot bigger than the entire Berkeley department.</p>
<p>Would Harvey Mudd be a considered a peer of CMU?</p>
<p>Re lab rankings from 1997: That's a generation in CS.
Re salaries: without correcting for geographical pay differences it is meaningless.</p>
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<p>Google: Without Stanford, Then without Google. Google was founded by Segey Brin and Larry Page. Both are Stanford ph.d students. The world's best search enginine GOOGLE was invented right on Stanford's campus. Now, check out Google's leadership team here Corporate</a> Information - Google Management. You will find many have a Stanford degree. Notice that among Google's engineering leaders, Vinton Cerf, a Stanford B.S. degree holder and a former Stanford professor, was widely called a 'father of the internet'.
By the way, another dominate search engine Altavista was also invented by a Stanford ph.d Paul Flaherty.</p>
<p>SUN: What does SUN stand for? The answer is STANFORD UNIVERSITY Network. Stanford graduate student Andy Bechtolsheim invented the first SUN work station right on Stanford's campus. He and two other Stanford MBAs, plus a Berkeley graduate founded SUN. The current CEO is a Stanford MBA.</p>
<p>CISCO: CISCO are founded by 2 Stanford graduates. The CISCO routing technology was based on an invention by Stanford engineer Bill Yeager.</p>
<p>YAHOO: YAHOO was founded by 2 Stanford Ph.D gradautes.</p>
<p>H-P: Both founders are Stanford graduates.</p>
<p>Microsoft: The current CEO Steve Ballmer attended Stanford business school. Stanford Ph.d. Charles Simonyi led the effort in developing microsoft office tool. See Charles</a> Simonyi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.</p>
<p>Intel: Intel's most notable invention, microprocessor, was made possible by Ted Hoff, a Stanford ph.d. Intel's current CEO is a lecturer at Stanford business school. Its chaiman is a Stanford ph.d and a former Stanford professor.</p>
<p>FWIW, CMU is in the cloudiest place in America. Well, down there near the bottom, anyway.</p>
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<p>I don't know which UW you mean (Wisconsin or Washington), but here's some IPEDS data:</p>
<p>Stanford:
EE – 48
CS – 69</p>
<p>Berkeley
EE – 258
CS – 73</p>
<p>UW-Seattle
EE – 176
CS+CSE – 149</p>
<p>Some pretty stark differences there...</p>
<p>Now I usually don't go into such debates and especially when I'm clearly going to be biased (this is my school after all) but this time I feel like I have to come out and wholeheartedly agree with datalook. Silicon valley owes its existence to Stanford and its grads. Look at the history of Silicon Valley-Stanford Industrial Park was definitely the forerunner. Indeed I'd argue that without Stanford there would have been no silicon valley!</p>
<p>this doesnt prove in any way that stanford has the best cs department btw</p>
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<p>Also, Stanford's MSEE program granted 230 degrees last year; Berkeley's entire department is granted 331 EE degrees last year. (And of course this does not count the total number of students in the department. I daresay Berkeley will still be much larger.) That's nearly 1.5 times larger than Stanford's MSEE program.</p>
<p>And this all isn't even counting the # students in other disciplines that work at these companies. Not only EE/CS students get jobs there.</p>
<p>Berkeley and UW both have undergrad student bodies many times the size of Stanford's. Hell, even for the overall size, they're much larger than Stanford (about 2x as much each--Berkeley has over 35,000 students now, UW over 40,000).</p>
<p>hawkette, I'd agree that Cornell is an engineering peer school. I'm actually fairly surprised I didn't see more collaboration between the two schools as Cornell is probably the closest really good engineering school. I imagine Cornell's humanities are a bit better than CMU's, and you guys actually have some professional schools, which I guess puts you in a little bit of a different situation towards other things.</p>
<p>To add on to what I have mentioned in the first page, CMU is also rising fast with increases in applications and new buildings/facilities. The networking is top notch though, as many alumni received stellar jobs even with the financial fiasco and arguable recession we are in.</p>
<p>With that said, I agree with the above posters in saying that CMU is a bit of a trade school but it is absolutely tier 1 in what it offers and excels at, such as business/engineering/drama/arts/design/computer science/etc. The salaries speak for themselves as they are on par or above with Ivies. </p>
<p>Bolstering the liberal arts (HSS) and integrating the university even more among its 7 colleges would be something I'd like to see in the future as currently there is some division in prestige/opportunities depending on what school/college you attend.</p>