CAS and CASH: Convince me the first leads to the other

<p>I'm in. I'm greatful. Now I must convince my family that the College of notWharton will give me any <em>comparative</em> edge in the future.</p>

<p>I thought I'd just present a list of my specific questions in the hope of specific answers. Some may be redundant.</p>

<p>.................</p>

<p>Are the internships at Penn generally good or is everyone cutting each other for a few good ones?</p>

<p>Are any majors at CAS worthless moneywise? If so, what are they?</p>

<p>Will taking a specific major at CAS lead to a better salary than the same major at a "lesser" college?</p>

<p>Will the UPenn "name brand" effect wear off after my first career?</p>

<p>Will the less competitive students at Penn drown...opportunity-wise?</p>

<p>But ultimately what I'm getting at: If a student is highly motivated and gung ho about their education and making money, will they...on average...end up with big bucks from a "college of lesser prestige" than they would from Penn CAS?</p>

<p>.................</p>

<p>I'm sure it's all been hashed around a million times, but help me anyway. And give specific data/research if possible. I have a full ride to my local 500-600ish SAT Jesuit University and I need these questions answered.</p>

<p>Are the internships at Penn generally good or is everyone cutting each other for a few good ones? In recruiting, it is mostly banks, consulting firms, PE, hedge funds, etc.
There are numerous opportunities that you can apply on your own. If you are tech, there’s microsoft, google and a bunch of other tech firms. As long as you are >3.5, you can get some decent ones</p>

<p>Are any majors at CAS worthless moneywise? If so, what are they?</p>

<p>Will taking a specific major at CAS lead to a better salary than the same major at a “lesser” college?</p>

<p>Will the UPenn “name brand” effect wear off after my first career? after your first career, it is your experience that counts. upenn name brand is just a foundation</p>

<p>Will the less competitive students at Penn drown…opportunity-wise? if you pursue your opportunities and work really hard, no matter what gpa you have, you will succeed.</p>

<p>But ultimately what I’m getting at: If a student is highly motivated and gung ho about their education and making money, will they…on average…end up with big bucks from a “college of lesser prestige” than they would from Penn CAS?
Yes. but ultimately, it is up to you. Penn just helps you get to the interview table more often.</p>

<p>I realize this thread might die amid all the post-April 1 stuff. But I do need help. Thank you drnoeyedea.</p>

<p>Is anyone else pessimistic about the ivy edge?</p>

<p>Are the internships at Penn generally good or is everyone cutting each other for a few good ones?
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Lots of great companies come and recruit at Penn. Penn does not “provide” the internships and give the positions to a select few. Penn will attract some big names to campus, and provide you with other ways of searching for internships, but it’s up to you to seek them out and work for them. I think on-campus recruiting is definitely more competitive for Wharton, but you might want to ask someone who has actually gone through it.</p>

<p>Are any majors at CAS worthless moneywise? If so, what are they?
Are “worthless” majors at CAS will be equally worthless at any other school. Are there less practical majors? Yes. It’s very difficult to say it will have a significant bearing on your career or salary, though, because different students will ultimately end up pursuing different paths. Slavic Studies might seem to be an impractical major, but what if a student majors in it, goes to law school, and ends up with a hefty salary? This ties in to the last post–no major is going to make you rich, you have to have the drive and initiative to use the opportunities around you.</p>

<p>Will taking a specific major at CAS lead to a better salary than the same major at a “lesser” college?
Penn, nor any other school, will get you a good salary. You have to use Penn to help achieve whatever it is you want. </p>

<p>Will the UPenn “name brand” effect wear off after my first career?
In all likelihood it won’t be terribly important.</p>

<p>Will the less competitive students at Penn drown…opportunity-wise?
If you don’t have the drive to seek out opportunities for yourself, you won’t be successful anywhere. Things are not handed to you. That is not to say everybody at Penn is super ambitious and has lined up 8 internships for the summer, because that is not the case at all.</p>

<p>But ultimately what I’m getting at: If a student is highly motivated and gung ho about their education and making money, will they…on average…end up with big bucks from a “college of lesser prestige” than they would from Penn CAS?
I’m pretty sure there will ultimately be very little, if any difference if you choose to attend school x vs. school y. Now BusinessWeek has released lists of schools with the top 10 average graduating salaries, and several Ivies, including Penn, are among them. Wharton certainly helps a lot in this case, but it’s my belief that it’s the type of students at the schools–the smart, ambitious, talented ones who gained acceptance in the first place–are what leads to high average salaries, and not any result of the school’s prestige. The students make the school, not the other way around. So whatever school you attend, the end result will likely be quite similar, because it’s up to you. Penn might have more opportunities to take advantage of than state school X, but you need to be willing to take advantage of them. I realize I have repeated myself on this, but it’s something a lot of pre-frosh don’t understand at all, and they think that going to Harvard or any other elite school will somehow give them whatever they want. Not true. The path to those opportunities will be opened, but the rest is up to you.</p>

<p>You got serious problems if you are more worried about making money than being successful in college.</p>

<p>Breaker: I’m glad you’re grateful to be accepted. If you’re interested in business, you could do a dual degree in Wharton if you wanted to. </p>

<p>If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer (2 professions with generally high salaries), you’ll probably be in the College. My friend went to Harvard Law from Penn last year, and I don’t think he would have come all the way here from California had he not thought that he would be able to eventually land a lucrative job. The Ivy League title certainly helps when employers are hiring, but it’s not just about prestige. It’s also about training in your field. We get an excellent education here, and that education should provide you with the skills you need to get to the top.</p>

<p>John Huntsman, Jr. - Ambassador to China was in CAS. People interested in governmental positions will be in the College. Wharton is only for business.</p>

<p>If an employer has two employees with high qualifications from Jesuit University and Penn, the job will go to the graduate from Penn- chances are that through Penn, you’ll have already been able to get internships that would give you better qualifications for the position by any case, though.</p>

<p>If you truly utilize all of the amazing opportunities that Penn has to offer, I think you’ll do well. </p>

<p>To answer your final question, if you are motivated, if you work hard to learn a lot and boost your GPA, your efforts will most certainly not be for naught.</p>

<p>Best of luck!</p>

<p>Thank you all so far.</p>

<p>But how greater are the opportunities and the education at Penn verses “stereotypical state school or local Jesuit University”. </p>

<p>I have that full ride in my pocket to – what the hell I’ll say it online – the University of Scranton. If I go to Penn I’m worried about getting saddled with undergrad debt before I even know what I want to do…and then possibly get grad school debt on top of that. I’m going to pay about 50,000 combined for Penn. My parents never received assistance from their parents to go to college so they’re not giving me anything.</p>

<p>I think the difference between Penn and U Scranton is worth $50,000. Even if the educational prospects were identical (a dubious proposition), you would still miss out on making the networks of future movers and shakers at Penn who will be of enormous value, and whose achievements before and at Penn will continually motivate you to be your best.</p>