<p>I got into Case Western, but University of Michigan decisions aren't out yet. If I get rejected, that just means I don't have this question anymore.</p>
<p>Case would be cheaper because I got a merit scholarship and Michigan probably wouldn't give me anything because it's a state school and I'm out-of-state. So I'll probably end up going to Case because of that, but I want to ask questions anyway. </p>
<p>(I don't really know what I want to do with my life...I would like to keep grad school as an option, but I don't want it to be my only option when I'm done with school.)</p>
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<li><p>Since I'm going to be an undergrad, is it relevant that Case Western's graduate math program is ranked a lot lower than Michigan's? Does Case primarily focus on science/engineering/applied math at the expense of math by itself? Would it be hard to find research opportunities? </p></li>
<li><p>I will have a lot of dual-enrollment credits from a university. Which is more likely to transfer them, Case or Michigan? Is Michigan more likely to transfer them because it's a public school, or is Case more likely to transfer them because my dual-enrollment college is in Ohio and Case probably deals with them a lot? Or does it not matter?</p></li>
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<p>Given the size of your award and your income stated on your Case post, it’s going to be difficult to justify Michigan if they want you to pay the full fare. I’m sure you still have other private schools to hear from and something else better might turn up, especially considering your qualifications, but I think this pretty much knocks Michigan out of the picture, despite the respective reputation of the schools. And Case is no slouch - it’ll get you to some pretty good grad schools, if not the same ones Michigan would.</p>
<p>Are you applying to Chicago? Best math student I’ve ever known wound up going there, over MIT. Don’t know his reasons, or what he’s studying, but he was easily one of the top five HS math students in the country (and pictures with the President to prove it). A true genius, jaw-droppingly brilliant, and he’s got siblings who are just as gifted.</p>
<p>If D had gotten your award, it would seriously start to turn my head, as we are expecting to pay full freight, and we can afford it. Her award was nice, but not enough to turn us toward Case just yet. Other things fall through, and we’ll talk. But it’s a nice one to have in your pocket, and if Case is the safety, that’s pretty awesome. D is excited.</p>
<p>Case looks to me to be a really good school for someone interested in math but who might change to something else. From everything I’ve read, it seems that Case provides opportunities for u/g research, but the specifics you can get by asking your admissions officer to put you in touch with a math professor. They do this regularly, so don’t be shy. </p>
<p>I cannot answer the question about an applied math bias at Case. Plus, they gave you money. Will it be enough money for you to be able to attend? You can always do Michigan in grad school and on their dime ;+) I, too, think Chicago can be a really good choice, but it’s tough to get into and can be tough to afford; research its financial aid policies carefully.</p>
<p>Ask the dual-enrollment college IF it has a transfer credit policy with either school and which one is more likely to take those credits.</p>
<p>Finally, why are you limiting yourself to two schools?</p>
<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Studies at Case Western Reserve University](<a href=“http://case.edu/ugstudies/academic-policies/transfer-credit-other-colleges.html]Office”>http://case.edu/ugstudies/academic-policies/transfer-credit-other-colleges.html) is CWRU’s transfer credit policy. If the dual enrollment courses were taken in a high school setting or were used for high school graduation requirements, CWRU will not allow credit for them. However, if any of them were in math, you should check with the math department to see if it will allow you subject credit or placement based on completion of such courses, so that you won’t have to wastefully repeat math courses you have already taken.</p>
<p>What other choices of schools are you looking at? Michigan is probably a better school specifically for majoring in math, but if it is too expensive, it will not be a realistic option.</p>
<p>case western is a smart people school.
are there smart people at michigan,yes but if you are more into smarts then sports…case western is your school.</p>
<p>I also applied to Chicago, UIUC, Miami, Ohio State, Northeastern, Drexel, and Minnesota. </p>
<p>I’m not getting into Chicago, and even if I did that might not be ideal because I’d always have to compete with people twenty times smarter than me and I’d never get to do anything. (That might happen at Michigan too…I dunno.)
UIUC and Miami are going to cost a lot, but they’re not as good as Michigan. I’ll get merit aid from Northeastern and Drexel, but they’re not as good as Case.
Ohio State and Minnesota are ranked lower than Case overall, and Minnesota would probably cost just as much. But maybe Ohio State is better for math? (I’ve just never heard of anyone going to Ohio State rather than Case for reasons other than money.)</p>
<p>(Also, I live in Cleveland with my cousins, and I hope Case will let me commute because of this, but they might not because I don’t live with my parents. So I might have to pay $10,000 a year for housing at Case, even though I could be living with relatives five miles away for a lot less, and that strikes me as ridiculous even though I guess it’s not really any more ridiculous than paying for housing at a college far away. If they did let me commute, that would probably change my scholarship, but it would still be cheaper than Michigan.)</p>
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<p>I took them on a college campus and I finished all my graduation requirements before I ever took college classes, but they’re listed on my high school transcript and count for high school credit.</p>
<p>If you’re already living in Cleveland, I would imagine they’ll let you keep doing that. And if there is a freshman housing requirement, then it’ll only be one year, as the on campus housing rate is only 78%. So if you can live off campus, you’re talking about an annual bill of only $7-8K, for one of the top schools in the country. That’s going to be hard to beat.</p>
<p>Don’t discount your chances (or ability) at Chicago. Someone is always smarter, you’ll be plenty smart enough if they let you in.</p>
<p>“case western is a smart people school.
are there smart people at michigan,yes but if you are more into smarts then sports…case western is your school.”</p>
<p>Congrats for one of the silliest posts I’ve read on CC in quite some time.</p>
<p>Well then I guess you haven’t read some of Zobroward’s other posts if you think that’s one of the silliest posts on CC. His views on colleges are interesting to say the least. </p>
<p>Halcyon, I suspect Michigan will give you merit money. How much, I don’t know. If you’re concerned about Case’s math department, I suggest you email the head of it with your questions. Since Case prides itself on its UG focus, the chair should be willing to at least briefly answer your questions in an honest manner.</p>
<p>OP, what some of us have suggested is that Michigan isn’t real good with any kind of aid for OOS students. </p>
<p>yet the students I talk to about Michigan, the ones going there now, LOVE the place. small sample size, for sure, but I have the impression that the people at Michigan are doing something right that even the u/gs love this large state university. (alumni are not the best barometer of the college experience.)</p>
<p>Absolutely what I’d do. Probably too late to go now - exams? - but in January when they return I’d go talk to a math prof, sit in on a class, maybe do an overnight.</p>
<p>If you are set on majoring in math, I would suggest that you check the course listings and faculty research interests at each school to see how the math offerings compare.</p>
<p>If you are unsure, do the same for all of the other possible subjects you may major in.</p>
<p>Remember that the usual overall school rankings are mainly associated with the school’s selectivity – i.e. the academic credentials of the worst student who can get admitted to the school. But a lower ranked school by this measure may be a better school for your academic interests, if the higher ranked school has insufficient offerings in the subjects you are interested in.</p>
<p>This was true in the past, but it is changing. The university is committed to a goal of meeting full need for all students. It’s not there yet, but it just launched a $6 billion capital campaign that, if successful, will get it there. During the transition, it would be a bad mistake for an OOS student to assume you’ll get no FA from Michigan. Apply, and see what they offer.</p>
<p>If it’s affordable, I’d choose Michigan’s math department over Case Western’s in a heartbeat. Michigan’s got one of the top math departments in the country (currently ranked #8 by US News).</p>
<p>I hope UMich can come up with better OOS money. I think it is more accurate to say that UMich might come up with more OOS money but it isn’t able to do much more now.</p>
<p>“The university’s highest priority is to raise funds for student support so that every student accepted by the university can afford to attend, so that the university can attract students who can compete at the highest levels, and so that every student can have an outstanding student experience. The goal for that priority is $1 billion.”</p>
<p>I got into Michigan, so this question is still valid. </p>
<p>Michigan would be around $50,248 per year. If Case Western lets me stay off-campus and keep my $30,000 scholarship, it will cost $11,800 per year. If they don’t let me stay off-campus the first two years, it will cost $18,249 per year on average. </p>
<p>My parents have a lot of savings, so I don’t get need-based aid and they could pay for Michigan without selling anyone’s soul, but I know that doesn’t necessarily mean they should. </p>
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<p>Is it really important to get into a top grad school? As in, would it have enough of an effect on my future income to make Michigan a better investment now?</p>
<p>I didn’t realize you weren’t getting any need based aid, it didn’t seem like your father had that much. Is he now going to pay for your college? I thought you said he wouldn’t but I might have missed something.</p>
<p>I saw you mention possibly academic career so for that you’d want the top grad PhD colleges for math. But for another route, I saw you mention actuary and that is different I’m pretty sure. So wold be working in financial engineering, say.</p>