Cello player what to do

<p>Both my H and I are not musically inclined and our other kids were not either and went into science, engineering and medicine just like us. Now here comes our youngest MUSIC is her passion and we have no idea on how to guide her. She is a freshman in high school and has played the cello for 5 years. She wants to perform on her cello. I have been told she is talented but to us there are many talented musicians all over the world who train in the usa.</p>

<p>Where does she start?
How do we guide her?</p>

<p>Someone told us to have her audition for the Manhattan College of Music PreCollege Program that runs Saturdays during the year? Does anyone know anything about this program?</p>

<p>How do we know if her teachers or program are any good?</p>

<p>While it may not help much with the Manhattan College-specific questions, may I suggest you read my series of posts at <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html&lt;/a> if you have not already done so? Others have found it useful, so perhaps you will too.</p>

<p>One thing that is beneficial, in my opinion, is participation in a good youth orchestra which usually requires an audition. If MSM precollege program has this, I would go for it.</p>

<p>pbpski, beyond the link that BassDad provided, I'll offer these as additional reading material.</p>

<p>There really is no one answer as to how to best help a child towards a rewarding exploration of a potential musical talent or a possible music career path. There are a number of factors, addressed in BassDad's post and in thumper1's suggestion.</p>

<p>While not necessarily all inclusive, the list comprises solid instruction, an adequate instrument, an introduction to the basics of music theory, history, and developing aural skills, as well as learning to effectively sight read. Being surrounded by like minded peers of equal or greater talent, particularly in an orchestra or ensemble setting is a prime factor in my mind. Most important is the student's own mindset, and dedication. Self motivation seems to be the factor that drives the most successful.</p>

<p>Within the first block of threads, you'll see a commonality of experiences, as well as how one specific aspect just seemed to be the "eureka moment" for a student. It really is a set of building blocks, and the structure isn't recognizable until a certain number of blocks have been put into place.</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/458455-how-determine-your-childs-ability.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/458455-how-determine-your-childs-ability.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/531161-do-you-have-map.html?highlight=precollege%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/531161-do-you-have-map.html?highlight=precollege&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/537061-need-advice-about-prep-school-youth-orchestra.html?highlight=precollege%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/537061-need-advice-about-prep-school-youth-orchestra.html?highlight=precollege&lt;/a>
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<p>While not specifically addressing MSM precollege, these will give you an overview and insights into a number of precollege programs. Again, note the commonality of shared experience.</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/663338-manhattan-school-music-precollege.html?highlight=precollege%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/663338-manhattan-school-music-precollege.html?highlight=precollege&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/348047-juilliard-pre-college.html?highlight=pre+college%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/348047-juilliard-pre-college.html?highlight=pre+college&lt;/a>
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<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/327384-carnegie-pre-college.html?highlight=pre+college%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/327384-carnegie-pre-college.html?highlight=pre+college&lt;/a>
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<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/154421-pre-college-music-experiences.html?highlight=pre+college%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/154421-pre-college-music-experiences.html?highlight=pre+college&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>MSM pc is a fine program. There are many others, particularly in the NYC metro area. One thing to consider is that in an audition based program, not all will get in. It may make sense to cast a wider net, and examine some alternatives. There are a number that are not as selective, but offer similar experiences, yet a lower peer level than one would see at the Juilliard, MSM and Mannes offerings. Again, assessing your student's talent is often the trickiest part, and is a job more suited to pros than parents. Rely on your private instructor, hs ensemble director, yo orchestra leader to provide input and aid in assessing chances.</p>

<p>Part of the benefit of participation in a high quality music immersion is being able to gauge a student's reaction to the depth of the program. Many will thrive on it. Some will enjoy it. A few will want no part of it, the focus and drive may be too concentrated, and this will help separate the students who will pursue music as a potential career versus those that are more comfortable just engaging recreationally. Some will become music 24/7 types, and some won't. Many can't decide (or have their own doubts) until they are within that environment.</p>

<p>If your student leans to the "all music all the time", the next step is to continue. You might want to read this for future reference. There are many programs geared to the hs aged crowd that will engage and continue to develop and refine budding talent. Take advantage of them as well.</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/145948-summer-music-camps-necessary-college.html?highlight=summer%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/145948-summer-music-camps-necessary-college.html?highlight=summer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Most importantly, don't push, but encourage. Not all have the talent, drive or luck to become performers. There are many who want a career in music, and see little option beyond the stage or an orchestral chair. There are numerous options beyond.</p>

<p>Navigating</a> Music Careers</p>

<p>Good luck. There are many here willing to offer input.</p>

<p>To the OP: It's now late March; auditions for MSM pre-college are in mid-May. I assume you already live within commuting distance of MSM. If you have your daughter apply and audition, and if she is accepted, you will have the choice of sending her for a year, or not. </p>

<p>What would be the downside of having her audition? Does she want to do it? I guess I don't really understand your questions....MSM, Juilliard and Mannes run selective programs; in general, the best high-school aged string players in the tri-State area play in one of those programs; many of the kids who graduate those programs continue on to a conservatory and an eventual career in music performance, and many do not.</p>

<p>All things being equal, a 9th grader who is a passionate and talented cellist living within commuting distance of NYC probably would find herself very happy and at home in a Saturday pre-college program. Obviously she would be giving up her current teacher for the one assigned by the program. Is this your concern? Also, she would be giving up whatever else she does on Saturdays for the duration of the school year. Whether that's an important issue or not is not something we can know... so what's your question?</p>

<p>I agree with Violadad's advice. If music is her passion, try and get her the best teachers, summer and EC programs available, and any opportunities to play at a high level. The teacher is the most important choice, and I liken it to choosing a doctor. The right teacher for your D might not be the "best" teacher by reputation, but the one who suits your D's learning style and needs. In the NYC area, there would be no shortage of excellent teachers, which might make the task of interviewing them/having sample lessons, a little more time-consuming. Obviously, a pre-college program will settle that. Things to consider (1) teacher's reputation, (2) success of previous students, (3) how selective the teacher is before he/she accepts your D, (4) teaching style, etc. I believe someone posted on how to select a teacher. </p>

<p>To have a career as a professional musician or to attend a conservatory level program, it really does need to be "all music all the time." The student has to live, breathe, sleep music. Practice for such a student is pleasure in itself and not something they have to be forced to do. But this will reveal itself as more opportunities are presented to her. And there are many other paths open to serious, passionate musicians who may not be conservatory-level players. </p>

<p>One of the best things you can do (with help from your D's teacher) is to encourage her to be self aware in a positive way (what are her goals? what kind of sound does she want to have? in what ways does she want to improve as a musician? how does she compare to her peers in ability? what is she willing to do to attain her goals?). I think this is the quality (and I can't take credit for any of it) that our S has that is serving him well in his conservatory studies. Although I think he is a little too self-critical, he has always been very aware of his own sound, what he wants to achieve, his strengths and weaknesses, his ability relative to others. Comments from teachers and others are reinforcement of what he already thinks, but he does not depend on them. A professional musician (or any performing artist) needs to do it for the right reasons (passion and because they can't imagine doing anything else) and have a inner core of toughness to be able to handle the stress of auditions and rejection. This is much easier to achieve if you are clear in your own mind about what you want and where you are musically. You can't control others' reactions.</p>

<p>Even if you are not musical yourself, you will find much useful information on cc that can help you formulate the kinds of questions and discussions that will be helpful to your D. I came to the belief early on that S knew what he was doing (even at 14) and I did not have to prod, hover, or oversee things (all right, the college applications). H & I provided encouragement, constructive praise (he did not want the usual parental pat on the back--"it was all wonderful"--and would get frustrated with me if I did so--I truly did think it was all wonderful!), and paid for lessons, instruments and equipment. </p>

<p>Good luck and congratulations on being proactive in supporting your D. I have heard of so many cases where parents think music study is a waste of time as far as a career is concerned. That is not the case among cc parents.</p>

<p>I wanted to post this link when I initially responded to the OP, but couldn’t locate it.
Just happened to stumble across it today.</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/379137-what-age-did-light-come.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/379137-what-age-did-light-come.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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