I agree. In addition, there are thousands if not tens of thousands of Indian int’l students with more competitive applications (higher test scores, prestigious awards, deeper ECs, etc.) that will likely get rejected by most US unis due to their demographics/financial status as @aunt_bea iterated. Needing full funding will put you at an even larger disadvantage
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Right, I am guest in the country. Need to leave after my education is complete. Cannot and should not stay. But it is not untrue, that almost every college prefers to provide financial assistance to domestic students. Not that they shouldn’t - that’d be an opinion and not a fact.
Regarding being over-represented, (again just an opinion) I don’t think it is fair to skim down Indians and Chinese (~2/5th of earth’s population) to fit in 1-2% of their total funding.
Right, that’s true.
Well it may not be fair, but a number of these universities are funded by the US federal government through grants, research monies, and US companies. The federal funding comes from US taxpayers. US citizens pay a lot in taxes, over the years, and our taxes are divided into educational institutions. So yes, domestic students get more funding opportunities because their parents are the ones that are funding the government which, in turn, funds the public and private universities.
Edited to add: Where did you think scholarships for international students’ education evolved from? The universities don’t have a lot of money to give to international candidates because most funding is obligated and dedicated to US students and to the universities for costs in maintenance, upgrade, labor, etc.
(FYI: My daughter applied and was offered a research grant at her university. The first question she was asked was if she was a US citizen.)
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There are plenty of extremely qualified Asian and Indian-Americans for schools to pick from.
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That makes sense. Appreciate that you say it’s not fair. Most people would never even admit that.
No, it is entirely fair, for all the reasons stated by @aunt_bea. Perhaps it would be even more fair if the governments of India and China spent more money and effort educating their own citizens, and otherwise spent more money and effort ameliorating a situation where so many of their citizens seek higher education elsewhere.
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What I find is unfair is that my husband and I pay a lot in taxes, yet all of our children will graduate with debt because we are in the donut hole and don’t qualify for financial aid, while students from other countries who’ve never paid a penny in taxes get a free college education in the US.
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Your perspective is perfectly understandable as a citizen. As a fellow human, not so much. Anyways, I am sorry for steering away this conversation to a political discussion.
You misinterpreted my meaning; what I meant to say was maybe it’s not fair to you. But it certainly is fair to me.
Where did you get the notion that the United States educational institutions were obligated to educate 2/5 of the world’s college-age students? Worse, to fund them fully?
I have paid thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. That money is gone to the government and I will never see it. Most people, on this site, have had to fully pay for the education of their own children. That’s after we pay taxes, we still have to pay for a child’s seat, at full price, to one of our universities.
Do I think it’s fair that you, from another country, whose parents have never paid a dime in taxes, expects a charity of a fully-funded university education at some of our best universities?
No I don’t think it’s fair to fund you fully because you are 2/5 of the worlds population. Please tell me how many of India’s educational institutions would fully fund an American citizen with tuition, room and board, and extra money for travel expenses? I’ll wait.
Your best option is to stay in your country and argue these points to your citizens and see if you can develop some of the worlds best universities. India is a huge country and yes it’s citizens may be poor, but its resources are rich. There’s no reason why India can’t become a powerhouse in education. It comes with a cost to your citizens as it should. The United States university system is under no obligation to fully fund 2/5 of the world citizens who want to come to our educational institutions that have been funded by our citizens.
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Okay, this is highly exagerrated. First of all, the amount of money that you pay from your own pocket, that actually gets invested in the education of an international student would be lesser than the tip you pay at Chipotle.
Secondly, as @aunt_bea said, these scholarships are highly competitive for international students.
Thirdly, there is the fact that some international students who get in with exceptional qualifications, do more help than cause problems for American economy in aggregate. They are bound to work like slaves with H1B Visa, until the employer gets their money’s worth and they are pack their bags and leave the country (which is 60% of these students leave after working for 5-6 years). So essentially all the money paid in FICA and Medicare is in the system for Americans.
That’s my point though. Y’all would need to pay absolutely nothing to get an education in India, even if you do enroll. A total $15k for education for 5 years including room and board is nothing.
Also, when universities enroll international students, they get the smallest portion of there funding. You do realize that less than 0.1% of your taxes actually go to some international student’s education, right? Not to say those are the most deserving anyways in their competitive pool.
Okay, students in US are fully qualified, and smart to qualify for scholarships. This is a bigger discussion, that we can take elsewhere. And I won’t mind getting corrected to, if i am wrong. But the money you pay is almost fully going to the financial need of a citizen. Not an international student.
“They are bound to work like slaves with H1B Visa, until the employer gets their money’s worth and they are pack their bags and leave the country (which is 60% of these students leave after working for 5-6 years). So essentially all the money paid in FICA and Medicare is in the system for Americans.”
Why are they making this choice? This is a choice that the person has made. Why? They must be getting something out of it. No one is tethering them when they’re done with their education; they could take the skills and go back home.
Also, I resent the implication that no one else but your countrymen work hard. I won’t use the term that you used because it has incorrect racial implications in our system.
My husband and I averaged over 60 to 70 hours a week in our professions. My husband continues to put in about a 70 hour work week. This is something that transferred from our university educations. Our blue-collar workers work just as hard.
You also seem to be implying that US students don’t have exceptional qualifications to get into these competitive schools. I think you and your views would be much happier attending a university in India.
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There may not be an obligation, but there is definitely a privilege.
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100% on the mark. well said
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Yes, but what aunt_bea is trying to say is that it’s not our responsibility as US taxpayers to fund international student tuition/board/food/etc… It’s your own government’s responsibility to care for the education of its citizens, NOT US citizens (no matter how little/much the cost of funding is).
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@Rudraksh_Jain Please stop feeling so entitled. Again, there are PLENTY of AMERICAN Indian and Asian students who are so deserving of any scholarships available.
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I said the exact opposite when I said ‘US students are smart and fully qualified.’
I feel you are taking this more as a showdown than a creative debate. Right, you put in 60-70 hours, but the fact is you get paid for those extra hours. More than 30% of non-citizens would work overtime out of pockets to maintain employer satisfaction.
Yes we are not forced to work, but that’s just the benefit of your privilege. You could say these things to me, and make me shut my mouth out, because you were born in the position you are. In future, I may follow the same slave employment, but that’s just the cost I have to pay for better opportunities.
I am not asking you fully resonate with my thought process, but you turning my entire argument as if it’s a rant on immigration isn’t right, because it’s not. I have not stated any opinions yet, just facts, which you keep on trying to negate.
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Uhhh- you’re wrong. We work more than a 40-hour week with no extra pay.