Chance me: CS, International Student

I don’t know where this came from, and this is totally unrelated to what’s being said. Please read before randomly joining in.

I can join if and when I want. You entitled attitude is quite offensive and quite frankly, your stats are not on par with the plenty of domestic students that are more deserving of a college spot.

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Now you are just being ridiculous. You are trying to find and apply every single exception to counter my arguments.

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Your problems are solved!

You can get a full education that meets your budget!

Your answer to my question is that an American with still not get everything free and fully funded, which is what you are asking for from the US universities!

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Again- I am not. Just stating the facts.

Right, they are, but that’s not the point. I am not even talking about myself. I have never talked about myself since this turned into a grand political discussion, and every citizen of America started attacking me from multiple ends. I am not entitled - and I don’t deserve these scholarships, yes.

Maybe because you’re not in this country and you don’t understand how our work systems “work” but a lot of us are on “salary”, look that up. A lot of us believe in quality and if that means we have to put in the extra hours and extra effort to give it, even though we know we’re not being paid, we do it because the standard is “quality”.

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Are there scholarships that the Indian government might offer to help you study abroad? It would improve your odds of admission considerably. In many European countries there are government funded scholarships for study abroad (usually within Europe). I participated in one, going from a relatively poorer to a richer European country and it open the doors for future study and employment. Might be worth looking into?

As far as this fair/unfair situation you think you find yourself in…It is what it is, and the people on this forum are giving you a reality check. They have experience and you don’t. These are opinions because that is what you asked for. No need to get angry.

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I’m pretty sure I said my parents could pay $10k in tuition, what’s wrong with wanting more opportunities for yourself? The only thing I feel wrong is that you guys don’t even feel the privilege you have - the privilege by birth.

My entire point is you are lucky to be born in a country where if you are skilled and hard-working, you have considerably better chance at achieving high standards of living.

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If an undergrad education is affordable in India, why come to the US if it’s out of your budget? Not sure if your expectations of receiving full aid at these US unis are realistic.

Also, I’m not sure why you stated that “every citizen of American started attacking me from multiple ends”? You posted on a public forum asking for information/criticism (presumably to improve your application/expectations). People with experience in this field give you their takes, yet you take it personally?

I understand the difference in global perspectives, but I won’t even get started on " grand political discussions" because frankly, it’s not even close to what you claim lol.

Again, we aren’t stating that you aren’t deserving of these scholarships, but rather, there are numerous domestic AND international applicants that are equally/more competitive than you are.

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Remember what you wrote? Entitled is what I feel when you wrote this and in some ways saying it’s not fair brings you into play.

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I am not angry, I just find it weird that everyone is defending a mere fact that they are privileged and start jumping at me when I pin it in.

There are a few scholarships that Indian Governments and Associations provide to study Universities abroad. I have applied to most of them and am waiting on their decisions.

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erm, I don’t think so. @aunt_bea repeatedly stated that the entire system was not ‘fair’ for all applicants and some students have a disadvantage/advantage over others. That’s how the world works. We fully understand that some domestic applicants are put in better places to succeed than others, etc… and aunt_bea even explicitly stated, “maybe it’s not fair to you. But it is certainly fair to me”. We can’t be faulted for living in the US, it is what it is.

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Right, I never intended to turn this into what it was until someone came in and said ‘why should I pay for your college education when my daughter isn’t getting any aid’.

They are not - this is just the higly exagerrated myth that keeps revolving around.

Wpuld be more than happy to not go on about this anymore. US is country richer in opportunities - can we just leave it at that.

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Again, there’s nothing wrong with wanting more opportunities for yourself. It is ‘wrong’ to feel entitled to those opportunities even if there are many applicants more qualified.

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That’s great! Good luck with these.

Over the weekend I was at a little social gathering with many expat Indian people (my son’s best friend is Indian). They are just as stressed out as you are (I won’t use angry even though I think it suits your feelings better) about their kids’ college education: how to optimize their outcomes, how to minimize cost etc. I learned about all sorts of schemes that people are trying out. It did not sound like they thought they were in college opportunity heaven. Not sure if you want to hear this, but opportunity is always relative. If you end up staying in India and doing really well in your undergraduate studies, that will separate you from the crowd (college is much harder than high school). And could possibly open doors for you. Don’t stop dreaming but have a realistic plan that you will be happy following. It’s what we tell all kids that come on to CC.

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Do you not believe that there any poor people in the United States? How naïve are you really? Do you not believe that a lot of us had to work, really hard, to earn the “privilege” of going to a University. I am a US citizen but I still had to work three jobs during college. Cleaning up vomit after a frat party is not my idea of privilege.

I was a child of a US veteran who couldn’t find jobs because, as the child of farmers, he lacked a high school education, stopping to help bring in the crop. People in the US have to eat. Farmers don’t make a lot of money. Farmers have to base their incomes, a lot, on the weather (storms, drought) and the prices of seed, and labor.

So am I offended when you say privilege? Yes I am. The streets aren’t lined with gold in the US. Someone has to work those essential jobs in a pandemic. Please talk to a child that has lived in the ‘hood, in a barrio, or in the projects. You’ll find out really fast how they say the word “privilege”.

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Go through the entire discussion and let me know at which point do I sound entitled. My entire narrative is it is unfair to not me, but many deserving applicants. There are applicants who get 1580+ and not get the aid they need.

Yes I do feel like skimming down applications of Indians and Chinese to 1-2% is not fair. But that’s just how I feel. If they give scholarships to 70 international students, they shouldn’t put a limit to say 5 Indians or 5 Chinese at most. The acceptance rate for international applicants from all countries should be around the same, except when the student shows that his background prevented his access to opportunities.

Okay I am sorry if I hurt anyone’s sentiments. I don’t want to sound insensitive either. This may sound harsh, and it is not my place to do this, but people are poor everywhere, ma’am. I know US is just a place, streets not lined with gold - yes, agreed. But not having a roof on my head, and having one meal a day is not the worst form of poverty I have experienced

I would appreciate it we could just end this discussion. This is getting the worst of my argumentative side, and I don’t want to write out something that’s not from my heart, and I would regret later.

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Wow! This got nasty pretty fast. I see no point in beating up a 17 year old kid for wanting to better his life because our ancestors did the same. No shame there. And fwiw, it is legal too :slight_smile: .

And if we must introspect, then for a few % points off our budget, we get cheap gas, cheap clothes, cheap electronics, cheap computers, doctors who will work in rural areas, entrepreneurs who will add to our economy…so on and so forth. And many schools and colleges in the US are only too happy to get foreign money to make tuition more affordable for OUR kids.

Also, let us not forget that India and China educate many foreign kids at low cost from Africa, Asia and elsewhere.

The issue I see with your approach @Rudraksh_Jain is that your list of colleges is not very practical given that you can afford ~$10K per year. You are shooting for highly selective schools where admission is a lottery for most. You will be better served to target smaller state schools where tuition is affordable and there is merit aid to bridge the gap between in-state and OOS tuition. There is a list on the financial aid section. Do spend some time looking through versus soliciting input from a random post.

BTW, you did not hurt my sentiments. Best not to argue when you are not getting any useful advise and look elsewhere. Also remember that there are many good colleges elsewhere in the world where you can get a good education at an affordable price.

Good luck!

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