Chance me for any 4-year private, less selective or more colleges/universities

<p>Hi, I'm currently a second-sem Junior in a public high school, and I'm full Korean.</p>

<p>E.C.s first-
Cheerleading Freshman Sophomore year, JV Captain for Sophomore year, quit Junior year, planning on going back Senior year
Science Bowl member (not much participation)
Working on a Science Research completely independent from school for the data on algae photobioreactors and how efficient they are in our environment
Envirothon member (not much participation)
Red Cross member, (certified CPR yay!)
100+ Community Service Hours (not much, but still something)</p>

<p>AAAAANNNNDDDD the GPA (insert drumroll here)</p>

<p>3.41
3.41
3.41</p>

<p>:-O </p>

<p>Not much to say about it. I took</p>

<p>Freshman year: Honors Chem and Honors Alg2 </p>

<p>Sophomore year: AP World and AP Bio, and Honors English</p>

<p>Junior year: AP US History, AP Lang and Comp, AP Environmental Science, AP Statistics, Honors Spanish 3 and Advanced Art</p>

<p>I signed up for:
AP Gov/Econ, AP English Lit, AP Spanish Lang, AP Chem, AP Studio Art, and AP Calculus for Senior Year</p>

<p>My GPA trend is pretty stable, some C's here and there, mostly B's, A's in regulars classes.
The reason I'm bombarding myself with AP's Senior year is because I really want to bring my GPA to an "acceptable" point average, and I really really need scholarships and financial aid.
I would like colleges in Washington or Oregon (because I like the rainy weather and I want to stay close to West Coast)
I live in Los Angeles, CA, and I know I don't have much chance at UC's and I don't want to apply to CSU's because I want (if I may even have preferences) a relatively small student:faculty ratio.</p>

<p>I want to major in Chemistry, and I'm trying to look for internships over the summer in labs (Hyperion Treatment Plant) and became a big Environmentalist because of APES.</p>

<p>My College Counselor thinks going to a Commun.College and transferring out would elevate my chances at the "better" colleges and scholarships, but my parents, being the Koreans that they are, are too proud to let their only daughter go to a C.C. I personally have nothing against C.C's, but I feel that I might slack off in college to enjoy "the college life".</p>

<p>Help!!!</p>

<p>Well, what was your GPA in your Freshman and Sophomore years? </p>

<p>My goodness, what kind of high school do you go to? I’m a junior right now too and even the juniors I know that take all advanced classes aren’t in THAT advanced of classes. And yet they plan on applying to selective schools like University of Washington and some UC schools. I’m not in all advanced classes and even I plan on applying to some “very selective” schools. I have taken honors and AP english but have been in average math and science classes until next year when I’ll be in AP chem and bio. I have a 3.97 GPA so far. I’m blown away that you would say that you don’t have much of a chance at a UC and and that you would need to go to a community college. You take HARD classes and have a lot of great extracurriculars. So I’m just confused and frankly think you would have a great chance at plenty of high selectivity schools. </p>

<p>@sergiok For freshman my UW GPA was 3.5, and for sophomore my UW was 3.52</p>

<p>@kdug96 Thank you for your encouragement, but apparently hard classes aren’t the first things admissions officers look at. :/</p>

<p>@ilikepuppytails </p>

<p>Wow all APs senior year! I took 5 and I’m dying. And your junior year looks hard too. I also want to study Environmental Science because of APES! Woahh</p>

<p>AND I WON MY REGIONAL ENVIROTHON WOAH LET’S BE FRIENDS PLZ</p>

<p>What colleges are you applying to in Oregon and Washington? Also please comment on my forum when you get a chance!</p>

<p>Actually, the first thing that admission officers look at is course rigor, defined as:

  • at least 4 and typically 5 (for selective colleges) “core classes” every year (academic classes)
  • no free period or study hall, unless mandatory or used for internship or something else
  • 6-8 APs and as many Honors classes as possible
  • 4 English classes, Math through AP Stats or precalculus (calculus is a bonus), 3-4 years of a foreign language (Ap is a bonus), 4 classes in social sciences including US History, another history, and 2 others (such as another history, Geography, Econ, Gov…), Biology/Chemistry/Physics, or 4 including 2 of these
  • consistency and coherence of the schedule: are you aware of your strengths and developing them? are you well-rounded? do you have clear academic interests or are you able to see what prep would be necessary for a future major you want to do?</p>

<p>The second thing they look at is class decile (top 10%, top 25%?) and GPA. That GPA is often recalculated.</p>

<p>Keeping this in mind: don’t take so many AP classes this year.
First, colleges will recalculate your GPA so taking lots of APs will NOT increase your GPA.
Second, the UCs limit bonus points to a total of 8 honors or APs. So it won’t help there either.
Third, there’s a law of diminishing returns if you take more than 8 - by the end of Junior Year you already have 6 so you REALLY don’t have any benefit to taking so many senior year.
Fourth, it’s much better to have 4 AP’s and get A’s in them, than 6 APs where you have A1, 3Bs and 2Cs. Never take an AP class where you could get less than a B. Ask your current teachers to see what they recommend.
Fifth, preparing college applications will be as if you had an extra class. You don’t want to mess this up because you have too many classes.</p>

<p>My suggestion to you is to take 4 and only 4 AP’s. Since you’re interested in Environmental Science, take AP Chem and AP Calc. Drop AP Lit, which is A LOT of reading and certainly interesting and necessary for arts/humanities, but not necessary otherwise UNLESS you love reading. (If you love reading, do take it, you’ll love it. But don’t mistake it for AP English2) Then, pick 2 (or 1 if you kept APLit) among AP Gov/Econ, AP Spanish Lang, AP Studio Art – take what you’re truly excited about, so that, if asked in an interview, you could really explain why you chose that class and why you love it.</p>

<p>You can TOTALLY apply for a UC, BTW. Not UBC, nor UCLA, likely not UCSD, certainly. But apply to UCD, UCSB, and another one (UCSC would be a good one, I think - and a match). What’s the worse that can happen? You won’t get in? Then you won’t be any worse off than if you didn’t get in because you didn’t apply ;)<br>
For CSU’s I understand your concerns but some are a little different from the CSUs you may know – you could apply to Humboldt, but visit first to see if its vibe is okay with you. I think Cal Poly SLO should also be on your list, :slight_smile:
<a href=“http://cafes.calpoly.edu/departments/departmentsNRES.html”>http://cafes.calpoly.edu/departments/departmentsNRES.html&lt;/a&gt;
CSU Chico and CSU Sonoma may also interest you, they’re different from the more typical CSU’s - check them out.</p>

<p>Next: go to the following websites and fill out the “request info/join the mailing list” questionnaires. When you get the material, read it carefully to decide whether you want to investigate further.
UPuget Sound
UPortland
USeattle
UWashington*
UOregon
Whitman
Willamette
Lewis&Clark
Southern Oregon University
UBC
Simon Fraser</p>

<ul>
<li>unlikely to be affordable</li>
</ul>

<p>Go visit Occidental College, Pitzer, LMU, and Chapman. Pitzer and Occidental “meet need” so they’re very good financial choices for a middle class to lower income family. When you visit, sign in at Admissions. (Very important to indicate “interest”).</p>

<p>Borrow a college guide, such as Insider’s Guide to the Colleges, or Princeton Review’s best Colleges, or Fiske Guide. Start reading, starting with the West Coast, then venturing out to the colleges recommended for the sciences.</p>

<p>If you get to a 3.5 and a 30 on your ACT, with your GPA, you’re AUTOMATICALLY eligible for entry to the Alabama College of Engineering + Honors College + Honors Dorms + other perks+ full tuition.
If you get a 32, you get that with a $2,500 at the college of engineering, OR you get those ^revious perks in the College of Arts and Science. UAlabama’s Honors College is often discussed on these boards and has a very favorable reputation. Of course, it’s not the cool, rainy weather of the Pacific Northwest. :D</p>

<p>Go to the “Financial Aid” forum on this website. There are threads with automatic scholarships and competitive scholarships, plus out of state fee waivers.</p>

<p>Your counselor is wrong: transferring from a community college DOES NOT increase the odds of getting scholarships. Either you transfer into a UC, qualify for CalGrant and/or Middle Class Grant or Pell… or, if you transfer to any other type of school (private anywhere in the US including California, public anywhere in the US) you lose your chance at merit scholarships.
So, either you’ll get the same money as a freshman applicant… or less.
Considering your stats and your record, I don’t think it’s the solution. If push comes to shove, though, you can just apply for community college in April 2015, if you didn’t get into any college. :slight_smile: Community Colleges have to admit you :slight_smile: :slight_smile: so there’s no risk involved.</p>

<p>@MYOS1634
WOW. Just… that’s such a wealth of information that I probably needed very much. I always thought AP’s were like kittens, the more the better. I guess not!
My college counselor was very, very disheartening about my college choices, and looked down on my for even hoping for a UC. She told me no way, it’s a very far reach. Do they do that on purpose?</p>

<p>As for financial aid, I need as much as possible, and I am very inspired to finish strong and aim high on my ACT. My projected SAT scores are among the high 1800 mid 1900 low 2000 range, does UAlabama take SAT? I worked really hard to bring my scores up, with all the preps and money and everything.</p>

<p>May I PM you about my Senior year schedule? I am very bad at making decisions, and having a qualified person to know which AP’s to recommend would be a big help. My friends don’t know anything, and from the answers I’m getting, the counselors don’t know very well either. </p>

<p>I heard of Occidental, I had an acquaintance attend their pre-med, but he said it’s highly selective, since their graduate admission rate to Ivies are up there. I guess it’s different for their College of Arts and Sciences?</p>

<p>Sorry about the string of questions, I’m a lost soul in college application madness with little-English-speaking parents that leave me to figure everything out. My dad told me at most he can help up to 15k for tuition, but he wants me to make my own ends meet, since I’m “18 and a legal adult”. Are parents allowed to say that? About college? Anyways, you were a tremendous help!</p>

<p>Yes, sorry, UAlabama wants 1400 CR+M for the full tuition scholarship. (Note that you can also compete for more goodies, but the competitive scholarships are very hard to get and your GPA will hurt you a little.)
You have to explain that in the US, it’s not possible to “make end meets” for college, or for a student to auto-finance college. Some colleges cost upward of $60,000 PER YEAR! Students, even if they work a lot, can only earn about $4,000; they get $5,500 in loans. Then, it depends on the college. Colleges that meet 100% need will cover what your parents can’t pay, but if they decide not to pay no one can “make them” and you’re stuck, you can’t go or have to go to community college - which isn’t bad in CA but is far from optimal with your stats.
If you worry your parents won’t pay their EFC, go to the financial forum and apply to automatic full ride scholarships; you can also compete for the competitive awards but many of them are very difficult to get. Finally, some colleges have deep discounts (like Truman State or UMN-Morris or South Dakota School of Mines which produces highly recruited engineers) and others have OOS fee waivers.</p>

<p>Essentially, explain to your parents that they’ll have to contribute their EFC, you’ll have to contribute “student contribution”, and if someone doesn’t do their part, then they’ll have to accept you attend a "college they’re ashamed of. "</p>

<p>the #1 source of aid is the colleges themselves; the government will contribute loans (and grants if you’re lower income); if you stay in CA, the state of california has a very good system called CalGrants, plus a new one called Middle Class Grant.</p>

<p>yes occidental is pretty selective (as is Pitzer) but if you can get a 2000 on your SAT + 3.5 +GPA in a rigorous schedules, you may have a shot. Both are reaches. Go visit (make sure to register with admissions to indicate interest.)</p>

<p>Note that in CA and in some states, you’re an “'over-represented minority”, but if you apply to other states (esp. in the Midwest but in some areas of the East Coast and South, too) you would be an under-represented minority, meaning that colleges with holistics processes would actively seek you out so that you can bring socio-economic and cultural diversity to the campus. Just being from California and applying to the Midwest and South helps them establish Geographic Diversity (you know how they like to claim “students from all 50 states and 26 different countries”, which looks better than “students from 4 states and 3 foreign countries”… obviously in the latter situation it means that college isn’t very well-known :stuck_out_tongue: Unfortunately, CA students are many near both coasts but that still leaves a lot of states and regions.</p>

<p>Yes you can PM me about your schedule.</p>