Chance me on Stanford?

Highschool G.P.A: 3.5
ACT: 24
College GPA: 3.95
Freshmen Fall Courses: (14 Cr)
Molecular Biology
General Chemistry I
Calc with analytical geomoetry I
Freshmen Winter Courses: (19 Cr)
General Chemistry 2
Calc with analytical geometry II
Anatomy and Physiology 1&2
Ecology
Sophmore Fall Courses: (22 Cr)
Microbiology
Advanced Human Pathophysiology
General Physics I
Humanaties
Vocal Performing Arts
Piano Performing Arts
Sophmore Winter Courses: (25 Cr)
Molecular Genetics
Probability and Statistics
Organic Chemistry I
Advanced Molecular Neurobiology and Psychopharmacology
Clinical Bacteriology
Vocal Performing Arts
Piano Performing Arts

All for a total of 90 credits including transferable AP courses.

Additionally:
I shadow Cardiologists, Neurologists, and Peditricians at accredited institutes like Beaumont Health and UofM Ann Arbor Medical center.
I come from a family of very low socioeconomic status and I am a first generation, college attendee.
I have 13 letters of recommendation from Doctoral professors in Science and Mathematics as well as deans.
I have won multiple academic awards for Chemistry and have consistently been placed on the deans list.
I cannot smell or taste (aguesia and anosmia).
I am an active member of the Biomedical Sciences club.
I am a licensed Real Estate agent and a model.
I have fairly proficient oral and literary skills.

I am understanding of my extremely sub par ACT performance and would like to ask also if the use of SAT subject tests can be utilized in its place. Are my chances really 0% because of my ACT performance?
I would also like to emphasis how rigorous my course loads actually are, I think a lot of people take for granted taking something like 25 credit hours which is nearly 75 hours of outside work a week (assuming 3 hours per credit as Stanford does). That’s nearly double the amount of credits most people take and many Universities will not even allow their students to take this amount of courses. Plus the fact that they are very difficult courses only severs to further emphasize my point. Courses like Genetics and Organic chemistry are courses which the majority of students struggle. More so, courses like Advanced Pathophysiology, Advanced Molecular Neurobiology and Psychopharmacology, and Clinical Bacteriology are senior and graduate standing level courses.

Thank you for taking the time to help alleviate some of my anxieties!

Where are you now? How far away are you from graduating with a Bachelor’s degree where you are?

I am thinking that you seem to be doing well where you are. You might want to get your Bachelor’s, then look to a variety of top schools, possibly including Stanford, for graduate school (or medical school, if that is what you are aiming at).

I will note that when I was at Stanford for graduate school, there were other students there who had done their undergrad at a very wide variety of universities. A lot of students had done undergrad at their in-state public university.

@DadTwoGirls I currently attend Madonna University and I am in the fall of my Sophomore year with a 4.0 GPA for the semester. My issue is that the University I attend is very limited in their course opportunities as well as research activities. I have gone to every single natural sciences teacher about research opportunities but none were available. So I made my own research on topics from strict Neuroscience, to Prionic Manipulation, to Renewable-Environmental Engineering, to Antibotic Resistant Studies, and Physical Chemistry. But I have yet to publish my findings because I want an adequate mentor to help guide me through the process. I also have important personal reasons for wanting to leave.

If you are serious about transferring to a different university, I hope that you are seriously considering other universities in addition to Stanford.

Are you in-state in Michigan? If so then U. of Michigan and MSU are possibilities of course. When I was at Stanford I knew a very strong graduate student who was a Michigan graduate.

I am wholly serious on the matter infact, I had thought about UofM Ann Arbor and MSU but my problems will not be remedied at either institution. I have also looked into John Hopkins and MIT as alternatives as well (my teacher is actually helping me get into a Neuroscience REU at MIT for the Summer of 2018).

When I say problems, it might be a little hard to understand - but personal things such as interactions with other students and faculty. It is almost as if I am a different ‘breed’ to say the least. I often feel very isolated, like an alien in many cases not just from my fellow peers but faculty as well.

I think some short excerpts from some of my recommendations may help to illustrate my idiosyncratic character a little:
From my Microbiology teacher, “… he is like a physical manifestation of a Encyclopedia - at times it is almost unfathomable.”
From my General Phsyics teacher, “He has an innate ability to condense any sum of information and be able to reciprocate it in a comprehensive manner that aids in the progression of other student’s development and understanding.”
From my A&P I and III teacher, “Is there anything he doesn’t know? At some points it feels like he is teaching me about the subject material.”
From my Advanced Pathophysiology teacher, “He is the type of individual who will lead the world of healthcare in the future. I look forward to seeing his progression and welcome treatment from him in the future - ofcourse when he is licensed that is!”

I hope these edifices may eludicate a broader picture of my character!

So, I’m wondering how you will afford Stanford’s fees?

Accepted transfer numbers are really small; accepted transfer students with financial aid are an even smaller number.

If you have difficulty interacting with others and faculty, then Stanford is probably not be the right place for you. My husband indicated that his time on campus involved a lot of team building.

Also, if you have acquired too many units, you may be shooting yourself in the foot.

IOW: What would they have left to teach you as an undergrad?

@“aunt bea”
I’ll do my best to figure out how to fund the fees. Although I wouldn’t say I have difficulty interacting with others though. Rather - on the contrary, I am a very well admired and loved individual by my peers. In my lines of work it is also common place working on teams.
I believe Stanford can teach me the finer details that would accentuate my educational experience. Some of the professors are practically writing the contempoary literature as we speak, it would be an honor to learn and experience in such an environment.
I hope to become a Neurosurgeon in the future, because I want to help others who have lost their sense of taste and smell as well as future generations. There is only < 1% of the world population that suffers from these disorders and roughly 2 - 3% in America. So medical literature and treatments are scarce. It’s like losing your sight or hearing, only no one notices and they always forget. The amount of emotional distress and physical deterioration experience is almost unbearable. That being said, I want to do everything I can and I can’t do that with the limited resources at my institution.

What are my chances though? And what preexisting qualities can I improve on to increase those chances?

No way to chance any applicant for a school like Stanford especially as a Transfer. You could have the highest GPA, incredible EC’s, National awards etc… and still not get in. Your test scores are a huge Red Flag and I agree with the other posters that you need to consider other schools where you do have a solid chance at an acceptance.

@Gumbymom
According to https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/selection/profile16.html#transfers I have a 2% chance of admittance if we consider my ACT score solely (better than 0 right?). So I do not believe it is not possible to chance an applicant especially at a school like Stanford for Transfer.
Furthermore, http://www.collegetransfer.net/StanfordUniversity/TransferProfile/tabid/145/Default.aspx delineates that the minimum transfer GPA for Stanford is a 3.5. Since I have a 3.95 in classes that are all rigorous mathematics and science courses, I would think this gives me some competitive edge? I doubt that a majority of students attending Stanford would be taking my course loads; as I said earlier, many universities will not even allow it. I had to convince all my deans, professors, and advisors for such an opportunity to challenge myself.

I guess what my ultimate question boils down to is: should I not challenge myself anymore? Should I be contempent with the resources I’ve been given? Should I not strive to traverse the adversities of my environment and actualize my fullest genetic potential, to help not only me - but the greater welfare of mankind? In my opinion, no, because if an individual truly believes in what they are capable of: there is no obstacle that cannot be surmounted in their life to achieve their dreams and goals. But I welcome a second opinion on this matter because honestly if I am wrong, I would rather not be wasting my time and explore other avenues.

Yes, 2% is better than 0 and no one is not asking you not to challenge yourself or telling you not apply. Posters are telling you to be realistic and realize that Stanford will mostly likely not happen and make sure you have some alternatives that is all.

You are definitely doing well at your current University and very capable at succeeding where ever you end up, but do not pin all your hopes on this one school.

Best of luck.

@Gumbymom
I see your point, and if I may ask: which schools should I look to apply for then that would be ‘safer’ in terms of acceptance rates while still maintaining a competitive atmosphere (nothing in Michigan please) with my credentials?

I would also like to add the only reason I am challenging myself in the first place is so that I can look good for these institutions like Stanford, MIT, John Hopkins etc… That’s why I am asking if it is worth my time to continue the course I have been planning, because I have to literally sacrifice everything to do what I am doing right now. I’m talking about parties, spending time with loved ones, forming intimate relationships and so on.

My forte so to speak are California schools. My first question to any Freshman applicant or Transfer applicant, is what is your college budget? As a Transfer student, affordable options can be difficult to find. If you have an unlimited budget, you might want to consider UC Berkeley, UCLA and Pomona College (one of the Claremont Colleges). Other than these schools, I am really not familiar with MIT, JHU etc… I would say apply to as many schools you deem as possible good “fits” and see where you get in.

Sorry, but I see a number of contradictions in this post.

First you need to understand that you seem to have all of your future set on Stanford because it appears to be the only university that will satisfy your personal needs. You are a transfer student. You have to hope that a student at Stanford drops out in order to make a space for you. This is what you have to hope happens. You also have to hope that you can pay. Stanford’s financial aid dollars are reserved for the freshman and graduate students they recruited.

Secondly, you state that you are a different breed:

When I pointed out that Stanford would not be a good fit for you, you backpedaled and stated:

Then you state that

But then state that:


The Cardinals that we know, husband included, haven't had to, or, didn't really **sacrifice** time in these areas because they had previously established habits that allowed for rigorous study, as well as sleep and social activities.

How would you know? You don’t attend Stanford. It’s disingenuous of you to assume that you are better than the current Stanford students. They are at Stanford, you aren’t. They make Stanford what it is.

Every month, Stanford sends their magazine to our home. It is chock full of current student projects and research activities. I know you think you know everything already, but trying to prove how intelligent and great you are isn’t working to your advantage on this post. It sounds arrogant. The adcoms, that we met, when our kids were going through this process, indicated that they could immediately detect the prestige-seekers. They also told our kids:


Take @Gumbymom's advice, "apply widely".

@“aunt bea”
Let me start this off by thanking you for the time to reply to my post: I honestly appreciate it because constructive criticisms fosters the growth of an individual. But if I may - I would like to address some of the points you have made about me.

On your first point:
I wholly agree which is why I was looking for alternatives in addition to my beloved first choice. Stanford is my idealistic intuition but I keep an ‘open mind’ that even if I am unable to attend the instiution: I will still find another institution that will let me shine as an individual as well as help the community around me. Plus the pecuniary issue of finances is irrelevant for me. I may derive from a poor socioeconomic upbringing but I will not be limited by the constraints upon me. If I have to I will go out of my way to start a Go-Fund me page or actively participate more in my career as a Real Estate agent or Model to provide my necessary finances - then I will do what needs to be done.

On your second point: “The Cardinals that we know, husband included, haven’t had to, or, didn’t really sacrifice time in these areas because they had previously established habits that allowed for rigorous study, as well as sleep and social activities.”
Firstly, may I ask what courses your husband has taken during his academic experience? Secondly, when I said, “I have to literally sacrifice everything to do what I am doing right now. I’m talking about parties, spending time with loved ones, forming intimate relationships and so on,” I am talking about the fact that when the important times like midterms and finals come around: it is a huge stress to have to take 9 tests all in the same week. Even with my near eidetic memory (no one in the world has a perfect photographic memory and neither do I, or I would go take the test and collect my million dollars) this is still a challenging feat. For the majority of the rest of the time, I comfortably enjoy getting 8 + hours of sleep a day and I make regular appointments with my closest friends and companions. I do not study because I pay close attention in my lectures and truly grasp the quintessential concepts upon first exposure or else I would not have time to engage in Realestate or my Modeling activities.

On your third point: “How would you know? You do not attend Stanford. It’s disingenuous of you to assume that you are better than the current Stanford students. They are at Stanford, you are not. They make Stanford what it is.”
You are absolutely right and I am sorry for my hasty generalization fallacy. But you are committing the same fallacy by assuming that I am superior to Stanford students. I am not above anyone and I am sorry if I made it seem that way - but I also never once mentioned that because I truly believe we are all equal as human beings. I merely stated that, in hopes of juxtaposing myself from the traditional student and showing that even in the most rigorous institutions - not everyone shares the same ideologies or drive. There are still attendees whose family have a high status and wealth that give them more than just an ample avenue to Universities like Stanford, Harvard and more.

On your fourth point: “I know you think you know everything already, but trying to prove how intelligent and great you are isn’t working to your advantage on this post. It sounds arrogant. The adcoms, that we met, when our kids were going through the process, indicated that they could immediately detect the prestige-seekers.”
I never once claimed to know everything and it is the fool - who incorrectly assumes, that they have mastery over the knowledge of the world (I am not calling you a fool, it is an Aphorism). If I came off as arrogant well I am sorry. Only so much emotion can be conveyed with words and I thought this was supposed to be a simple discussion form - not another 30 page essay from AP Literature. I also never mentioned chasing prestige, I specifically said I wanted to attend the institution because of their professors and learning environment - not because the name of the school is Stanford. Let me put it this way with a hypothetical syllogism: imagine if you had potentially groundbreaking research that could shake the scientific community and when you presented your findings to your institutions best professors in Physics and Mathematics: they could understand where you are coming from but lack the resources or understanding to help further develop the idea. Like right now, I am working on a Meta-Analysis that delves into Quantum Chromodynamics (a subset of Quantum Mechanics) and the hierarchical relationship between discrete fluctuations as they manifest themselves through Neuronal Plasticity. Would it not be nice to have an individual like Leonard Susskind to be able to bounce ideas off of? To be able to objectively analyze the plausibility of mathematical models and intangible concepts such as Quantum Mechanics? Or even work alongside with? It’s this rational that draws me to Stanford-not the name itself.

On your last point: “We don’t need any books: students who spend all their time their rooms or in labs… we have plenty of those in the library.”
I see where you are coming at with this statement, but personally I do not see myself as a mere ‘book’ ready for impregnation upon the repositories of Stanford. While I pride myself on learning, I am more than just a ‘human encyclopedia,’ I take immense pride in my creative pursuits like writing, vocal performing, and fashion designing. If I went to Stanford I would almost certainly engage in these club activities and I know I will make many friends doing so! Plus I have dozens of research and I am perpetually adding to that number every time I sit in a class lecture. I do not need to be in a lab aside from research pertaining to Neuroscience which is heavily experimental and when it comes to concepts of Physics, I adopt a theoretical approach to ponder the mechanisms of physical phenomena (strict mathematics). Honestly, no one is going to theoretically grow Neurons in their head (although there is a little bit of Neurogenesis that occurs in the Hippocampus with about 700 new nerves being produced each day) and no Institutional Review Board (IRB) is going to allow them to publish their findings without seeing the practical safeguards to protect against pseudoscience. What I am saying is that maybe, the adcom is trying to illustrate the point that an individuals homogeny is not what Stanford is looking for, rather it is the heterogeneity amongst the individual - the multidisciplinary specializations that make their student body idiosyncratic and competitive.

Again I would just like to stress, if this response came off a little arrogant I am sorry: but I just wanted to clear a few things from the air. Also I intend for no malice through any of my points, I am only seeking to foster intellectual discussion.

Transferring to Stanford and having to do another whole 90 credits just seems like a waste of time and not worth the money.

MODERATOR’S NOTE:

Incorrect. A good chunk of the 42 accepted applicants are athletes. Back their numbers out, and you’re probably back in the 1% range. Which is still better than 0, but really?

If you believe that, then why did you post a thread labelled “Chance Me?” (Rhetorical question - no need to answer.) If you are simply going to argue with every poster that offers an opinion, then there really is no purpose for this thread. You are certainly free to accept or reject opinions, but if this thread continues to go in circles, I will just close it.

A 4.0 at Madonna doesn’t make you superman or qualify you for Ivies and so on.The 3.5 in high school and 25 on ACT might make it hard to transfer to a top 30 school. You should have a good chance at U . Mich, particularly if you are instate, and it should be relatively cheap. You definitely should be able to transfer to a significantly more competitive school than where you are, probably about the level of Michigan.

Med schools like high GPAs, so there is some argument to staying where you are, as you know you can get A’s. The premed environments at competitive schools can be pretty crazy. A 4.0 at somewhere like Madonna doesn’t insure med school admission either, but I can see an argument for the lower stress route.

@skieurope My apologies and I understand.

@sattut
Thank you for putting it into perspective for me! I’ll definetly apply to UofM and I was wondering if it wouldn’t be a reach to apply for some other schools like: UCLA, John Hopkins, UC San Diego, and UC Berkeley? Looking to take the SAT soon as well.

http://www.stateuniversity.com/rank/sat_75pctl_rank/3
Schools ranked by 75th percentile SAT. I would look at pages 1-6 1st-120th ranked. Michigan is probably more competitive than any of the UCs except Berkeley. It would seem like the best bet, since I guess you are instate and it would be cheaper and easier to get into. UCs seem like reasonable choices though if you have funds for them,as OOS tuition will be similar to Hopkins or Stanford and there is generally no financial aid for transfers.

I actually transferred to Hopkins a long time ago. They take a lot of transfers, but it is harder to get in if premed, and it is a bad cutthroat premed environment. You could definitely apply to schools at that level though as reaches, but I wouldn’t bother with Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Caltech and so on.