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<p>Yeah I’m so offended, since accountants don’t work out of cubicles.</p>

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<p>You’re not understanding something. I am not saying that a Philosophy degree is going to land me the same job as the person with a business/marketing degree (although it possibly might). I am also not saying that all degrees are equal. I’m not naive. What I AM saying though is that you should not discourage people from studying what they WANT to study or what SUITS them. Just like an English major would possibly be miserable if s/he tried to switch over to, say, Civil Engineering, a Chemistry major would probably be miserable doing a Linguistics program.</p>

<p><satire>Also if you really want to make these crazy abstractions, then you should know that if everyone majored in the sciences, that they would no longer be in demand. </satire></p>

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<p>You call these crazy abstractions but this is reality. This is cold hard reality my friend. You may not like it and I may not like it but this is what is happening and if you go and tell this person that a psych degree is great to study in college without a word of caution I would have to seriously question your judgment. Based on your rationale all students should study what they love and then be left with the expectation that they will receive that great job when they graduate and that just isnt true. The truth is that you better haeva seriously developed plan on how to survive with that degree after college, after your student loan debt when your parents are starting to get to old and to tired to tolerate you moving back home. I am not advocating that everyone get an engineering degree but I am advocating that everyone take basic science pre-reqs like all your calc, chem, physics and bio, that way you can always switch careers because after these classes its jsut two years to that other degree or with a gpa you can take the mcat, pcat, GRE, Cset, Lsat or whatever floats your boat to make a buck.</p>

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<p>I didn’t say with the expectation of getting a great job after graduating. Keep in mind that I’m arguing for the graduate degree. For entry into grad school to be feasible, you will need a high GPA. To have a high GPA you will need to study something that you like, and something at least slightly relevant to what you plan on studying further. Again, with my plans to go into law school, I’m just not going to be complacent about someone calling my Philosophy classes trash, when they teach me how to argue and think critically. Just not going to happen.</p>

<p>Although on realist terms I do partially agree with what you’re saying, I’m just disheartened that your personal circumstances won’t let you see that education isn’t only about objectifying students as future commodities.</p>

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<p>Excuse my late reply to my own post, but I would just like to add in my two cents. (Though this topic post DID start on just simply asking what my chances were to transfer into those colleges…)</p>

<p>I started out as a Biotechnology major at Cal Poly Pomona, but experiencing some of the professors in the science departments, I just had no passion for it after Spring quarter. During the summer, I took a Psychology class that I had instant interest for since the first day. The profesor in that Psychology class was a very successful professor, counselor, and had a private practice office. He also had a particular degree in neuroscience along with Psychology degree.</p>

<p>I have heard many, many people say that a Psychology degree may not be sufficient enough for a career and in most cases this is true. I also do agree with you both that attending graduate school and getting a degree from a graduate school is a must and that this is getting to be quite a necessary thing if not required if in hopes to get a sufficient career and big $$ to live.</p>

<p>However, I do agree with grey_syntatics that college is still a time to explore what you like and it is best that the student goes on to study (or major) in something that they like and is interested in. Though it is quite sad that many people work at IKEA or Target after graduating with a degree in (Let’s say) Psychology or English, if they have a true passion for it and want to succeed, don’t you think that they will try to make something of it? (i.e. go on to graduate school, get an internship, use connections, etc)</p>

<p>Postbach: Thank you for giving your argument though. It’s the truth that most people go to college for “nothing” when all they do is get a degree in something and work at a job that only pays minimum wage. </p>

<p>However, like grey_syntactics said “Your career is only what you make of it, not your degree.” I think it’s the passion that someone has.</p>

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<p>okay, Who ever said that US “psych majors” are expecting to get a job after getting a bachelors???Its kinda obvious that ITS IMPOSSIBLE right now …especially with this economic crisis that weve supposedly just sunk into…</p>

<p>Bachelors is nothing for a psych, I am expecting to get a masters in some specialized part of psych( which is what has to be done, duhh…) and others might wanna aim for a masters as well… if you want a real career.</p>

<p>Postbach:
“4 yrs of your life for a degree that wont really get you a decent job after college. 4 yrs of potential income and study for what?”</p>

<p>It CAN get you a decent job, you just have to know what you are doing. For example if you are planning on living somewhere where your major is overflowing–then ANY major can be a dead end.</p>

<p>4 yrs of potential income? are you serious? because thats funny. getting paid what? 10 dollars per hr? pshhh.</p>

<p>BLS on psych careers: “the highest 10 percent earned more than $102,730”</p>

<p>take a look:
[url=<a href=“http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos056.htm#emply]Psychologists[/url”>http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos056.htm#emply]Psychologists[/url</a>]</p>

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<p>Although it is true that if you have a passion for something you will probably be able to support yourself this is not entirely true for everyone.</p>

<p>I know a lot of people here love their degrees and there is nothing wrong with that but to tell someone and go ahead and get the psych degree without giving them a word of caution is nonsense.</p>

<p>And its “OK” for me to say that certain degrees are less monetarily rewarding than others. This is my opinion and I was letting this applicant understand that so he seriously considers his major. Grey jumps all over me because he has a philo degree and is offended that I call these degree less monetarily rewarding. </p>

<p>This is because straight out of a 4 yr college (esp. in this job market) your chances of being employed for a decent wage are nil. </p>

<p>And I’m sorry there are so many things you can do without going to college. To say that you cant earn money without going to college is nuts. But college does help a whole lot.</p>

<p>But Grey’s arguing the value of going to grad school and I agree with him on this one. But I also find it nuts to go to college for 4 yrs and not be able to get a job with a BA. I also think its nuts to go to college for Philo. and never take all your basic calc or chem or physics. like a majority of people do with a BA. So in 4 yrs of college when you face an employed they will ask you if you can do any stats or any calc above college algebra you won’t have to say “NO.”</p>

<p>So this is my argument and I stand by it. I love the cliche statements of “follow your dreams” in college because college is business. BA prof.'s are easier to hire and more plentiful than science profs. BA majors are easier to train than BS majors. They require less time, effort, money, facilities and everything. Most BA prof.'s are also associate prof.'s as well. So ya its no big thing for a college to admit 1000 pscyh majors because the loans are underwritten by the US gov. and peddled by private lenders. Then the avg. grad begins their life with a chunk of debt they can never BK out of and are forced to pay off.</p>

<p>Then a person like Grey buys into this goes to college for 4 yrs and decides that the only way to survive and maybe get some respect is to go to Law School and pile on more debt while hes at it. Say hello to the cubicle and end to the coffee shop life of college.</p>

<p>I am saying this is a very imperfect system even though it is better than most in the world and you should seriously consider your major before pursuing it. I know this is a lot to consider but your decision have immense ramifications in college. </p>

<p>Philo degrees and psych degrees are great but when you consider that you may want other things in life like a family, house, taking care of retiring parents, that 4 yrs in college you spent on that less lucrative degree may be an eyesore 10 yrs from now when you are trying to support yourself. </p>

<p>This is all I am saying. All of you jump on me because I stepped on your toes but this is the truth. Many people dont know this entering college so this is geared for them. I hold this opinion and I think this is what the majority of managers and people agree. IF not I am so certain you will find out shortly when you graduate. I can even bet money on it. This is a sure thing.</p>

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<p>I would also just like to add after my last post that with the economy the way it is now we all have to be wise about the decisions we make in college. </p>

<p>I still cant believe so many are chewing me out here about college majors with the current state of the economy. You may or may not find yourself in college. The reality is you may be 40 when you find yourself. You may never find yourself. This is reality. So if you want to go and tell people that graduating with a psych or sociology degree is a good idea when the economy is in the ruts then that’s your decision. See if that makes sense when your parents are forced to live in a crummy nursing home and your struggling to make a name for yourself as a sociologist, philosopher or psych. and are being loaded down with debt and are about to enter an economy in the ruts. Its not all about finding your dreams its also about being responsible for your family and those around you. This whole: “follow your dream stuff” is absolute nonsense and is self centered and egotistic. </p>

<p>My grandfather wanted to be a doctor and but grew up during the depression and wound up serving in the military during world war 2. He served in WW2 and Korea. He didn’t like it he just had to do it. HE was in charge of others and he turned out to be an extremely competent officer. </p>

<p>There are many things we don’t like to do but we have to do them. Don’t buy into this whole follow your dream stuff because people take that to extreme and end up hurting themselves. </p>

<p>Just try and be competent and make decisions that make sense and realize there is a big difference between what you want to do and what you need to do to survive.</p>

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<p>First off, I didn’t read everything bach said, sorry sir, but I’m pretty sure I got the gist of it without going into all the jillions of pages of anecdotes and reiterations. Anyways, if you know what you want to do following your degree you should be fine. There are tons of fellowship opportunities and government positions available for humanities majors given they know specifically what field they are interested in and what they would like to accomplish and so in. But, really, it’s good to have an idea of all this but I can’t imagine enjoying yourself to much when you pigeonhole your life into one neat package with every step formulated and worked out. Ms. woahitspi, you should be cool, not that you needed me to say it or anything, but if you did…you should be cool</p>

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<p>Wow. You are so obtuse I’m going to stop bothering with you. And I always wondered how fascism could have survived amongst rational men! I am sorry that you don’t have the character to move forward in life with your BA in History. Not everyone will.</p>

<p>Just know that you should stop posting on these boards if you plan on bashing on non-science majors and on CCs in general. Seriously, do you realize that these boards are here for support and not for your cynical nonsense? I mean COME ON, you’re a college graduate with an abysmal outlook on everything, arguing with a bunch of youngsters over the internet! Shouldn’t you be concentrating on… anything but this?</p>

<p>Have you not noticed that everyone is against you and your depressing provincialism?</p>

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<p>Dude, Postbach, the OP is not talking about getting a job with a BA in Psych. I think most Psych and Humantities majors know what we are getting into. I’m personally planning to major in Psych as preparation for my Master’s degree in Social Welfare. What’s so bad about that? Thanks for your “help” though – your entire argument is based on the idea that we should not get a higher degree. Many of us are planning on doing so.</p>

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<p>Good for you. You obviously didn’t read the entire post. Yes, the trend is for grad school. </p>

<p>But I don’t think most humanities majors know what they are getting into. To say that means that you know what most of their intentions are. Stats show a different story. I can point some hard facts out to you any time. </p>

<p>I know a lot of psych majors and they are all headed to grad school. Do you think you are some sort of new species?</p>

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<p>listen, i totally agree with some of what postbach is saying. for instance, i’m a civil engineer major at a cal state, i’m in my last year and i already have people (companies) fighting over me. my friend graduated last spring and he now works for the “juicy” salary of 60K/yr. Now, a word of advice, i suggest to do and major what you like, something that brings passion into you, and something that you believe and have faith in. with this, you will be happy eventhough you get or not a job. for instance, i love civil engineering, and perhaps i “will not” (sarcasm) find a job. but it doesn’t matter cuz i’m passionate for civil engineering and i’m happy.</p>

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<p>thank you for the autobiographies and short stories, you are all so mature and wise. seriously, you guys seem to think you have it all figured out, no need to preach to us all, granted you arent compensating for anything…right?</p>

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<p>Maybe we are all compensating for something… But…Grey…</p>

<p>You should Relax. Just because I advocate a little common sense when choosing a major doesn’t mean I’m a “facist.” That is the most ridiculous remark I have heard so far.</p>

<p>So what your saying Grey is:
So are you telling me that caution when choosing a college major is actually a bad thing? </p>

<p>Are you saying I shouldn’t tell an undergrad the truth of what work a particular major entails because it may quash their dreams??
That competition in psych is tough and pay may be low in this economy? That never taking a science course in college is a good thing? </p>

<p>So my advice of researching your major and coming up with a plan to get a job and support yourself is wrong, right?</p>

<p>It must be because I’m a facist. That’s it. Postbach is a facist and thats the only problem. My goodness Grey who employs someone like you?</p>

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<p>WOW. You really have a problem with critical reading my friend! When did I call you a fascist? I called you obtuse and I brought that example up to show the caliber of your obtuseness. I never said “Postbach, you’re a fascist.” This is great, now I know why you need to go back for an engineering postbach too…</p>

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<p>Ya Grey, whatever you say. Ironically labeling was a common tactic facists used. </p>

<p>Listen, Get off your high horse and stop talking to us all about our supposed provincialism. </p>

<p>I think your pretty pompous to be calling us all that considering that this isn’t Greece 400 BCE and know one in their right mind in this century is going to leave you alone at night teaching their sons in exchange for your wisdom of philosophy. </p>

<p>The mechanic down the street is more useful than you right now. At least he can rebuild my engine if I needed him to. </p>

<p>I gave practical advice and if this offended your little ego over their in that little corner with you reading your Nietzsche at night too bad.</p>
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<p>Obviously. That’s why I’m preparing for graduate school early, and not crossing my fingers that my BA will get me through life (like you obviously did). </p>

<p>And by the way, your attacks mocking Philosophy are, SO IRONICALLY, referring to History of Philosophy, which is one of about twenty different branches of Philosophy. You are too funny.</p>

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<p>lol..owned </p>

<p>postbach read my username!</p>

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<p>Ha, thank you postbach. I’ve been saying the same thing for quite a while now.</p>

<p>I’ve even posted links to studies that back up what I’ve said in the past. </p>

<p>I did learn one thing though: no way are you going to reach any folk on here. It’s just not gonna happen. So I say, let them do whatever the hell they want to do. After all, it’s their funeral.</p>

<p>As for me, I’m gonna continuing studying for my BS in Physiology and Neuroscience. While the government foots the bill for my apartment, tuition, food, and entertainment (CalGrant, SMART grant, etc). Getting paid to study, it’s unbelievable if you ask me.</p>

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<p>I like your degree. That is exactly what I was advocating. Psych and that science degree can open many doors for you down the line. YOu can transition to eng., med, pharm or do anything in a science related field as opposed to a pure philo degree. </p>

<p>I know a Philo Phd who got his undergrad from Yale and hes worried about getting a job when he graduates with his Phd. I mean the system shouldnt be like this.</p>

<p>I like how trite Grey’s plan is: “I think I will just go to law school and that will solve all my probelms.” </p>

<p>I think everyone considers law school at some point. I researched it thoroughly and volunteered in a law office at one point and decided it wasnt for me and I had been doing moch trial all 4 yrs of high school.</p>

<p>I’m sorry I just prefer common sense. Actually my History degree has helped but I had to work really hard and take all my basic science classes to make that degree mean alot more. I think I would stand out alot more if I hade a chem or specialized in something science related.</p>

<p>Well good luck and thanks! Sorry to all that are misguided by Grey but you will all find out I am right soon enough.</p>