Chance of Admission?

<p>To further clarify MY understanding of the score, there is a quantitative (objective) aspect which is derived from SAT scores, class rank, etc... and a qualitative (subjective) aspect derived from the RAM (rec. of the Adm Board-awards points for subj. traits and measures) such as interview, essay,etc...?</p>

<p>For USNA, do they have to be on a certain form? How many and from whom? It would appear to be a good idea to try to get the teachers etc... to write the recommendations before summer vacation if possible. Can they be sent in separately from the application?</p>

<p>Don't want to stir us trouble but I believe part of the source of confusion about the components in the Whole Person Multiple (WPM) score and its use is the information provided by Michael Hollenbach in his paper "Predictors of Plebe Summer Attrition at USNA" published by the Naval Postgraduate School in June 2003. In that paper he set forth the components and the weights used by USNA around 2000 (these are the weights listed in Supergumby's post). My guess is that the weights have been adjusted in the last 5 years and USNA Admissions is technically correct in its statement that the listed weights are "completely erroneous". However, I expect that the relative weights are still pretty accurate(Feel free to clear this up USNA Admissions).</p>

<p>In fairness to USNA Admissions Hollenbach's paper on pages 12-13, says:</p>

<p>When the Admissions Board reviews an application, the computer-generated WPM is not necessarily the multiple they assign to the candidate. As instructed by the Superintendent of the Naval Academy, the Admissions Board has the ability to modify a candidate's WPM by anywhere from -500 to +9,000 points (per Hollenbach, qualifying candidates multiples fall in the range of 58,000 to 80,000+) based on the board’s view that the calculated WPM does not “accurately reflect their potential and motivation to succeed in a career in the Naval Service” (Black, 2001, pg. 7-9). These additional points are referred to as Recommendations of the Admissions Board (RAB) and are awarded to approximately 75 to 85 percent of each incoming class (D. Nelson, personal communication, February, 2003). Awarding of RAB points to the WPM is a crucial segment of the admissions process, as it enables the Admissions Board to select candidates who better fulfill the applicant requirements defined above.</p>

<p>If Hollenbach's paper is way off the mark, I apologize. Unfortunately, the sources of information about the WPM are scarce and "nature hates a vacuum".</p>

<p>Is there a form that I can get now, that would be valid for the USNA letters of recomendation. I know that the packets come late June/early August, but I would like to get them to my teachers before then. And is it possible to see my NROTC rep to get a copy of those rec forms? Any ideas would help... Thanks,
ZN</p>

<p>Aspen-
I too came across that paper some months ago. I would imagine admission's offices at various institutions are always evaluating and looking to improve. Info below can be found on the Naval Academy website:</p>

<p>Current Initiatives
The ESC has revised the plan to include the following Strategic Initiatives that will move the USNA forward, achieving the 2012 vision. The ESC also recommends the following Tactical Initiatives be included in the Strategic Plan.
Tactical Initiative: Refine the Whole Person Assessment
Validate relevancy of the various predictors to evaluate candidates
Initiative Description: </p>

<p>Refine the whole person multiple (WPM) used to screen and compare applicants seeking USNA appointments
Document all aspects of development of new WPM for future onsite management
Evaluate the proper role of SAT/ACT scores in the admissions process including the need/value of established minimums for admission
Expected Outcome/Benefit: </p>

<p>Provide improved instrument to empirically compare candidates
Onsite understanding of original development will aid in periodic validation and continuing WPM evolution
Executive Sponsor: Dean of Admissions (IR)</p>

<p>If the application is the same as for the class of '08, the recommendation form was a bubble sheet with only a small column left for a handwritten recommendation. These HAD to be filled out by the teachers of junior level English and math. (No options here). I would talk to your teachers now so they can be prepared. </p>

<p>My son returned from SS with his application packet (I understand that they do not do this now; packets are sent to all candidates via mail). Because our state has school until late June, he was able to give the form to his English and Math teachers who had them filled out prior to leaving for summer vacation. (Good thing, his English teacher was gone most of the summer on an exchange program). They also wrote his recommendations for nominations at the same time.</p>

<p>His guidance counselor coordinated the entire application process, photocopying everything "just in case". (She explained that a previous candidate's paperwork was quarrantined in a postal office due to anthrax contamination several years ago and because she had photocopied the entire packet, she could send a new copy by Federal Express)</p>

<p>Please also understand that only "qualified" applicants will receive an application packet. That is why they have the preapplication questionnaire.(This was explained by an admissions counselor during a preliminary visit to the Academy)</p>

<p>Good Luck.
CM</p>

<p>My son just received the letter indicating he is an official candidate. It appears as if he can complete a good portion online except the essay and Strong Interest Inventory. Those aren't available online, he said. Does any one know how he gets those items? poss through the BGO. Anyway, he is excited and has a lot of work ahead of him.</p>

<p>That's odd.... when I applied the only things I did submit online was my strong interest inventory and all my essays.... everything else I submitted by mail</p>

<p>In the middle of the summer you should be getting a HUGE packet with all the application material</p>

<p>It has a online submission re: recommendations; he needs to give them the teacher's name and e-mail addresses. So, I don't know how it works. My son is going to contact his BGO to get further instruction. There was also a submission for the guidance counselor and e-mail address. Maybe more will come later but he will verify everything with the BGO. It definitely stated that he needed to request application for nominations immediately, which he has done already.</p>

<p>yeah i got mine today also... fun stuff</p>

<p>Alot of the fields seem like these forms should be submited during our senior year. I do not know what my office will be in several clubs, or what I will run for during boy's state. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks,
ZN</p>

<p>One suggestion would be to slow down just a bit . . .
Enjoy Boys State and your summer . . .</p>

<p>As I recall, at this time last year, we knew very little about the application process. My son went to Boy's State, went to summer seminar. At SS, he completed the PAE and completed some more of the application. I think that your application for SS gets you an "official candidate" designation or something like that.</p>

<p>It was not until the school year started that he was able to complete the rest of his application, schedule a medical/eye exam, get recommendations, etc., etc., etc.<br>
The Congressional application deadlines, etc. are in the fall [October I think]. Interviews are shortly thereafter, nominations in January, etc.<br>
Teacher recommendations, acquaintance recommendations, etc. were not completed until the fall.
In fact, although I would not particularly recommend this strategy, we did not officially complete the entire application unitl January of 2005. [I would have preferred that he complete everything by December; but, ultimately, it was up to him to complete.] and appointment was received in February.</p>

<p>This is a marathon . . . take one step at a time. More WILL come later.</p>

<p>I would like to add one more reason though to start your package this summer after summer seminar. Once your intent to apply to an Academy in known, your name will be forwarded to DoDMERB. You will learn at Summer Seminar that DoDMERB will contact you about your physical. The day you receive your post card informing you to schedule your physical - do it. Fortunately, my son was able to get his physical completed prior to his senior year starting. We knew early of his need to obtain a medical waiver. He received his medical waiver from the Coast Guard Academy in January, one month after he was informed that he was accepted subject to receiving this waiver. However, he did not receive his medical waiver from USNA and NROTC until early March and they were so far behind, that he did not receive written confirmation until the end of March. He was fortunate enough to gain admittance to USNA, CGA and NROTC at UPenn, but the month of March was long. It took 7 months to get the medical stuff out of the way! Don't wait to schedule this physical - it is critical for each Academy and the ROTC Programs. </p>

<p>One last tip my son brought home from Summer Seminar - if possible take the SAT only one time. He said they claim they take the highest score in each category (which they do) however they look at how many times it took you to get that score. Fortunately, he scored very high 1500's at the end of his Junior year and chose not to retake to get the 1600. </p>

<p>And, it is a marathon, and senior year can be a distraction. Parents, you may need to stay on top of deadlines and dates so nothing drops through the cracks.</p>

<p>Good suggestions.</p>

<p>You are right we [and I say we, because it did require some coordination on our part. I don't care what anybody says, it is a team effort to get everything done on a timely basis] did complete the physical in the summer as soon as we received notice to do so.
Son needed an eye waiver, for which no separate application was made and no separate notice was received. [Still not sure how it happened, maybe my son took care of it all by himself!]</p>

<p>SATs were not a problem for him either.</p>

<p>Now we just have him covered in bubble wrap so as to prevent injury between now and I-day.</p>

<p>quarterstop: Your stats look pretty good, but there will always be room to improve. My SAT score rose 90 pts. after I went to a tutor for a few weeks. No expensive course neccesary, just an old math teacher who came highly reccomended. He is one of the reasons I'm going to USMA. Football is a good sport to get involved in; I've been told that the Academies look highly on contact sports such as football, wrestling, and lacrosse. If you think you are good enough I would contact the coaches at USNA. Test rankings dont matter at all, so just forget about them. Other than that, everything is good, just try to strengthen your resume and get it in as soon as possible for an early LOA. If you really want it, you will get in. Don't listen to people with absoloutley no experience to draw from and serious inferiorty complexes in regards to your status. For the most part there is alot of good info on these boards. Good luck!</p>

<p>Hey for the 2010 online candidate infor,
I recently got a traffic citation, and it specifically says list all citations, arrest, etc.. I was unjustly given one so i plan on fighting it in court, however i would like to get this section of the app in ASAP, so I do not know if the citation will stand. What should i put in the comments, or how should i approach this. Court isn't for 2 months.......THanks,
ZN</p>

<p>My son had the same situation. He forwarded the information with the phrase "outcome pending. Court date scheduled ....." When his infraction was reduced, he sent a follow-up indicating "reduced to parking violation".</p>

<p>Good Luck,
CM</p>

<p>say i fill out this violation court thing and submit it now and i happen to get a speeding ticket in the next 10 months, what do i do?</p>

<p>Update the file with the new information.</p>

<p>Good reason to use your cruise control and NOT get another ticket.
CM</p>

<p>The entire application to the Naval Academy is online for the Class of 2010. If you check the CIS page again, you will notice that there is no Strong Interest Inventory. Also, the Personal Statement is submitted as part of the Personal Data Record. USNA is sending this application earlier this year in an effort to allow students to confer with their teachers and guidance counselors prior to the summer. There is no rush to submit application documents any earlier than August, but it is a good idea to be familiar with its components and have teachers, counselors, coaches, etc. prepared to receive them via email. For those concerned about the Candidate Activities Record, you will notice that the form requests that you indicate anticipated activities participation. Accurately forecast your 12th-grade ECAs, and submit them.</p>