Chances at NYU, CMU, Tufts, Chicago....

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>As far as recruiting is concerned....a ton of well known companies recruit at NYU, and they recruit liberal arts students at CAS in addition to Stern. From someone whose been through the process (been interviewed and done the interviewing), I can tell you for a fact that non b-school students interview for Wall St. jobs, and do get hired. Finance is a very popular career choice amongst CAS students at NYU.</p>

<p>Lehman Brothers undergrad recruiting schedule at NYU (my old firm):<br>
<a href="http://www.lehman.com/careers/calendar/NYU.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.lehman.com/careers/calendar/NYU.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Morgan Stanley undergrad recruiting list (my friend was a NYU econ major works there):
<a href="http://www.morganstanley.com/cgi-bin/recruit/calendar.cgi%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.morganstanley.com/cgi-bin/recruit/calendar.cgi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Both of these top Wall St. firms recruit at NYU, and neither has a slot at Carnegie (Dukey-good luck getting a job at either of these places coming out of Carnegie, as very little hiring is done from schools not on the schedule).</p>

<p>I've worked in NY, Hong Kong, and London...everywhere I've been, the NYU name is considered stellar....without doubt above CMU and Tufts. But I digress, lets all take the word of an 18 year old quoting the US News.</p>

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<p>Let us examine Dukey's complete overhyping of Carnegie's Tepper.</p>

<p>Dukey raves: "I actually think Tepper would be a reach for you. 3.8s and 1400+ can be rejected from Tepper regular decision since they are ED lovers and take ALOT of people ED (like me)."</p>

<p>Here are the actual and most recent stats of Carnegie's Tepper:
<a href="http://www.cmu.edu/enrollment/admission/know/facts.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cmu.edu/enrollment/admission/know/facts.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>As this site shows, Tepper's SAT range is 1260-1460, and avg. GPA is 3.59. Frankly, this school is not a reach for someone with a 3.8, and 1400+. NYU CAS stats that are 3 years old are better than this (3.8, 1371 in 2001--link is in my previous post)...and its only gotten more competitive since. </p>

<p>As far Tepper as taking "ALOT" of people ED as Dukey would try to have us believe, the facts don't reflect this. The CMU site says, out of 400 people accepted to Tepper, only 85 attended, why such a dismal yield (certainly lower than NYU's) if so many are taken ED, and thus bound by the acceptance? The bottom line is, outside of tech, CMU is not nearly as highly regarded as NYU.</p>

<p>A word about those Peterson stats...."companies" can mean any firm, no matter how small, it doesn't mean Morgan Stanley or Price Waterhouse....CMU is highly regarded in tech, and in 2000, dotcoms that probably don't even exist anymore could have recruited there. When I say better recruiting at NYU, I mean corporate america,-ie wall st. financial firms, consulting firms, madision ave. ad agencies (where many NYUers intern during the school year as well as the summer)....the NYU name trumps CMU in every way.</p>

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<p>all i'm saying is CAS sucks compared to the other 4 colleges on ur list and usnews, businessweek, fortune, and almost ANY other ranking system agrees with me.</p>

<p>If you wanna choose a lower ranked school go ahead.</p>

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<p>Cornell>Chicago>CMU>Tufts>NYU ggnorekthx </p>

<p>if u want "good environment" and all that opinion based BS then go whereever u want since it all depends.</p>

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<p>Duker: "all i'm saying is CAS sucks compared to the other 4 colleges on ur list and usnews, businessweek, fortune, and almost ANY other ranking system agrees with me."</p>

<p>Nope. You're wrong. Any reasonable person would think NYU CAS beats CMU Cas...there is no issue here with that. The USNews rankings are widely regarded as a joke...the most informative thing about them is that they tell you where the editors went to school. CMU is better than NYU in tech...and thats really about it. Any other area, NYU wins hands down. Businessweek and Fortune...huh???...we are comparing CAS here, when did we start comparing the B-schools (these mags rank b-schools last time I checked)??? If we are comparing UNDERGRAD B-schools, CMU Tepper is nowhere in the league of NYU Stern, not according to the average person or a Wall St. recruiter...regardless of what any magazine ranking says. You can cite every ranking you want, at the end of the day, most of these wall st. firms I cited earlier on are not going to CMU undergrad to fill non tech positions...and those are facts....check the recruiting schedules again. Maybe you can send a copy of the US News ranking when you send your resume to Lehman Bros since they certainly aren't making a recruiting stop at your school. </p>

<p>Dukey: "all that opinion based BS"....This is like the pot calling the kettle black here... as if the US News ranking you've cited so many times is not also opinion but rather some type of scientific holy grail....right! Furthermore, you've done nothing to address the actual hard stats of SAT/GPA of NYU CAS and CMU that I've posted earlier on (NYU CAS stats 3 years old are better than both CMU CAS and bidness) ...you counter argue hard objective stats with a magazine ranking...thats WEAK, you're making your own school look bad here with repetitive nonesense.</p>

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<p>usnews is a joke? ahahahah okay whatever u say</p>

<p>"ooh i'm going to nyu so i'm right and every ranking system is wrong"
just shut up dude.</p>

<p>btw I agree that cmu "CAS" sucks too. But Overall, CMU ranks 22 and NYU is 32 and if u check other rankings they agree too. Every other CMU school > NYU CAS. All u got is stern which is why the op should not apply to NYU 1st. Go to Cornell 1st or something.</p>

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<p>PS: CMU is 2nd, 2nd and 3rd in 3 diff undergrad business that stern isn't into. You cannot compare finance to management info systems and etc. NYU CAS sucks just like CMU CAS sucks, why are u arguing what I'm agreeing with? CMU is just ranked higher overall and if u call USnews a joke you are just a biased piece of @(!@(</p>

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<p>Duke, perhaps you just don't like liberal arts schools? How can some of the most selective schools in the nation downright suck?</p>

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<p>Sorry Duker, your beloved US News is a joke...what else is one suppossed to think of a ranking system that puts UPenn ABOVE Stanford, Cal Tech & MIT??? Furthermore, Washington U above U of C, Cornell, and Brown, Emory in the top 20?? I could go on and on....ummm....yeah this thing is really valid and objective. NYU has an arts schools called Tisch (has highly talented people who may not have the best SAT scores), has a school of ed, and a general studies program, whose stats tend to be lower than the rest of NYU...hence the main reason for the US News ranking. If you do a straight SAT/GPA comparsion of NYU CAS vs. CMU CAS, and Stern vs. Tepper....NYU wins in both catagories. </p>

<p>Also, what other rankings are you referring to...you've cited fortune and businessweek...which rate the B-schools,not CAS. Check the Gourman Report (probably hands down the most objective ranking out there)....several NYU depts. in arts & sciences are highly rated, and overall NYU CAS beats CMU CAS regardless of your opinion of the quality of either school. </p>

<p>Now that you've acknowledged CMU cas sux, lets move on to your other faulty arguments.</p>

<p>Faulty argument #1: "NYU CAS avg. is a 1300 and 3.6". Flat out wrong assertion here. This would be more in line with CAS of CMU, and the 3.6 gpa is accurate for CMU Tepper as well...check the website of your own school.</p>

<p>Faulty argument #2: "cmu tepper is a reach for someone with a 3.8, 1400+". Not according to your school's own stats posted on its web page, buddy boy. These stats are above the norm at your school. </p>

<p>Faulty argument #3: "cmu bidness school loves ED, its very hard for someone with the above stats to get in rd"...why does CMU tepper have a 21% yield rate than?? NYU's yield is usually from 37-40%. I would gather that most people who got into both schools would choose NYU if they aren't studying something tech related. </p>

<p>Faulty argument #4: "CMU is 2nd, 2nd and 3rd in 3 diff undergrad business that stern isn't into. You cannot compare finance to management info systems and etc. "--Well than how are you possibly comparing CMU undergrad business to NYU CAS??? Even worse, you're comparing business rankings to undergrad arts & science rankings. The reason those depts (and business depts in general) are 2nd, 2nd, and 3rd...is because there so few of them....Harvard and Yale don't have undergrad mgmt. info sys depts...if they did, I'm pretty sure CMU would not be ranked 2nd. You can't compare this ranking to a ranking of a history dept. or english dept....its very much like comparing apples and oranges. </p>

<p>Again, in NYU vs. CMU...if you're comparing CAS...NYU wins, if you're comparing business (Stern vs. Tepper)...NYU wins.</p>

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<p>sry 22 > 32. CMU> NYU gg no re k thx. Princetonreview agrees with me too.</p>

<p>btw: enjoy ur crappy 32 school ahaha CAS blows, get some skill and go to stern</p>

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<p>I'm going to have to disagree with jwblue's opinion about Carnegie Mellon.</p>

<p>This past December I was accepted to Carnegie Mellon, ED. I am ecstatic. I have visited there, gotten my interviews and whatnot. It was my number one choice. </p>

<p>The reason it was my number one choice is because the David A. Tepper School of Business is becoming very reknowned to the world. Recently, the 2005 Wall Street Journal survey of MBA programs ranked Carnegie as being 2nd among the world's top business schools. Carnegie Mellon's MBA also was recognized for excellence in four academic concentrations: Operations (2nd), Information Technology (2nd), Entrepreneurship (4th) and Finance (4th). Nonetheless, I have to admit and argue jwblue's opinion that Tepper isn't the best. If you're looking for job oportunities once you get out of college or looking for a more than steady paying job, you are almost guaranteed that if you receive your education from Carnegie.</p>

<p>I might be overexaggerating somewhat simply because I adore this school so much, but in actuality, most of it is the truth. Here's a little tidbit I received from Carnegie's website (which I find to be awe-inspiring):</p>

<ul>
<li>The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded the 2004 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences to Tepper School of Business Professor Finn Kydland and former Tepper School Professor Edward Prescott for "their contributions to dynamic macroeconomics: the time consistency of economic policy and the driving forces behind business cycles." Kydland and Prescott, who both earned their doctorates at the Tepper School, are the fifth and sixth business school faculty members at Carnegie Mellon to earn the Nobel Prize. Others are Herbert Simon (awarded 1978), Franco Modigliani (awarded 1985), Merton Miller (awarded 1990) and Robert Lucas (awarded 1995)</li>
</ul>

<p>That, to me, says enough. I have two friends who have already graduated from Carnegie Mellon from Tepper. One is 26, the other is 25. Both are receiving $150,000-$250,000 every year. </p>

<p>The choice is yours. I can only offer my opinion. If it matters anything, if i were you -- I would listen to it.</p>

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<p>Duke says: "gg no re k thx"</p>

<p>What language is this? I know CMU isn't particularly known for its English dept., but this is not even coherernt.</p>

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<p>*coherent</p>

<p>don't try and edit now. lol I don't mind you making fun of my internet typing skills but at least spell your own posts correctly.</p>

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<p>jw, congratulations on an interesting career so far. I agree the NYU name is well know and stellar esp in the business world. Personally I think it's also an awesome place to go to school...I've been in the area many times and there are those who couldn't imagine going anywhere else.</p>

<p>That said, I respectfully make a couple comments:</p>

<p><em>if we are comparing UNDERGRAD B schools, CMU Tepper is nowhere in the league of NYU Stern</em> ok, it is usnews rankings I'm going to give you, and I agree with a lot of what you say about usnews but it's all I have here, so...</p>

<p>for undergrad business rankings, NYU #5 ranking 2003 reputation rank 4.3; CMU #6 ranking 2003 reputation rank 4.2. These are for undergrad business programs. Take it anyway you want but I would at the very least say Tepper is in the same league as NYU here. <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnewsedu/college/rankings/premium/topprogs.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usnews.com/usnewsedu/college/rankings/premium/topprogs.php&lt;/a> this is a premium feature so you have to pay a fee to access it.</p>

<p>regarding Lehman Bros and Morgan Stanley, <em>good luck getting a job at either of these places coming out of Carnegie</em>. My S and his friend will be looking in NY in a couple months for an apartment together after they graduate from CMU this May. S will have computer science degree, plus another degree and a masters both not in CS and he'll begin as an analyst at Goldman Sachs. His roommate will be an i-bank first year at Lehman. They interned at their respective firms last summer and S live in NYU Law dorm apts at 3rd and Broadway, forget the name of the place. Both loved NYC.</p>

<p>Sorry this thread degenerated. NYU and CMU are as different as night and day, but each a great school in its own unique way.</p>

<p>Edit: the usnews link was changed not by me so it won't work...if you have the premium online usnews edition access the information thru usnews site.</p>

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<p>Good post 2331clk . Bottom line is, the 4 other colleges the op has are better RANKED OVERALL than NYU CAS. Stern is good. </p>

<p>Seriously, I know NYU doesn't have a strong math department but 22 is higher than 32. 6 is higher than 32. Top 20 is higher than 32. Maybe jwblue should retake a 2nd grade math course and finally comprehend which numbers are higher than others.</p>

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<p>Duker: "lol I don't mind you making fun of my internet typing skills but at least spell your own posts correctly."</p>

<p>Sorry, I wasn't making fun of your typing skills, I was making fun of your repetitive nonsense. Incorrect spelling is okay, random babble nobody can understand isn't.</p>

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<p>Duke says: "Princetonreview agrees with me too".</p>

<p>I'd certainly like to see evidence of this. Both NYU and CMU have selectivity of ratings of 98 on PR. NYU was rated the #1 dream school among hs seniors...was CM even on the list?</p>

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<p>wow plz let this die jwblue. Not my fault if you can't understand some internet slang.</p>

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<p>CLK,</p>

<p>Great post overall. You make good points. However, the problem w/US News is that it is not very objective (probably the wrost ranking system there is.....better ones exist). The most important thing in the US News is the opinion of administrators who give their opinions. Also, very iffy is the use of HS seniors in the top 10%...as many schools don't rank at all or have a ton of grade inflation. </p>

<p>Congrats to your S...Goldman rocks...he'll probably be on 85 Broad St, working very long hrs. I'd venture comp sci is not a program in Tepper. I concede if we are talking about eng, comp sci, or something tech...but anything else, I'd go with NYU. I've worked in finance over 4 years now....I haven't seen any CMU grads in non tech related positions at Wall St. firms (the grad school and the FAST program are a different story...but thats not the issue here). And yes, they are both great schools with different strenghts...but I dispute Duke's point. </p>

<p>The NYU dorm is either Vanderbilt or D'Agostiono. ..I'm not sure.</p>

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<p>You want princeton review facts? NYU: Students in top 10% of HS class: 63% , avg SAT of 1310. </p>

<p>CMU: Students in top 10% of HS class: 72% , avg SAT of 1362. Which one is harder to get into/better? </p>

<p>So if you are going to dispute this one, you are saying USnews sucks and Princeton sucks, two of the most well known ranking guides. Also I think its time to let this thread die as we both agree that NYU Stern and Tepper are very close in business as 2331clk and Brinn have pointed out and they are BOTH good schools.</p>

<p>We can also agree that CMU CAS and NYU CAS both suck. The point is, CMU almost consisently gets better ranks and is harder to get into overall than NYU, which is my point all along and has YET to be disproven.</p>