<p>BTW Usnews not objective? ahahah point out a ranking guide that is... your foreign ranking guides?</p>
<p>There are more objective (though still not perfect) rankings than US News.</p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>There is the American Research Universities ranking that puts NYU above Cmu.</p>
<p>Check out: <a href="http://thecenter.ufl.edu/research2003.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://thecenter.ufl.edu/research2003.pdf</a></p>
<p>Shanghai University also ranks the top universities in the world. In the 2004 ranking, NYU is ranked 32, CMU is 62. The Shanghai methodology is much more objective than that of US News...no peer assessment or top 10% garbage. Rather, the ranking factors are things like Nobels produced amongst faculty and alumni, faculty citations and articles published....and its even controlled for the size of the school so larger schools don't have an undeserved edge. </p>
<p>Based on Nobels? Articles published? No Top 10%? Sorry but most people want colleges that are GOOD in their undergrad major and are highly ranked and have hard selectivity. Usually one of the things applicants look for when looking at college choices both at same price is that "the harder to get into, the better". If you truly care about nobels or articles published then that is your opinion and gl with that. </p>
<p>Also, No offense but I can find a lot of third tier ranking systems. My mom found a chinese "objective" ranking that placed Michigan as 1st and Carnegie as 2nd on wenxuecity.</p>
<p>Also on <a href="http://www.StudentsReview.com%5B/url%5D">http://www.StudentsReview.com</a>
Carnegie is 19 and NYU is 40. This site is rated by AMERICAN students who actually go to the colleges, a much more valuable opinion IMO than out of country rankings.</p>
<p>Stern and Tepper ugrad aren't close at all.</p>
<p>Duker....those are old stats...several yeras. Both schools have a 98 for a selectivity rating on PR....and that is a fact. </p>
<p>NYU's mid 50% is 1300-1450, and ED admits this year have over a 1400. The median for last year's class was 1353 (the avg. was very likely higher), CAS's avg. was 1371 three years ago, and its higher now. The CMU cas avg. is lower than a 1371, and Tepper's is as well as tech is Carnegie's best school. </p>
<p>NYU also had a lower acceptance rate last year. While you might concede Cmu cas sux, NYU CAS clearly doesn't.</p>
<p>So overall, we can play "find third tier rankings" and if you wish to believe the ones that place NYU ahead, you do so. But a majority of people do use USnews or Princetonreview as their ranking/selectivity guides and if you wish to dispute them SOLELY because they don't give you the "ranking" that you think NYU deserves(and don't want to see), then that is your problem. </p>
<p>Like I said, Stern and Tepper are both great schools, as are engineering and the computer courses at Carnegie. CAS at both schools suck. Overall Carnegie gets rated higher by "well accepted" rankings. We can probably stop arguing now I bet everyone's getting tired of us taking 70% of the thread.</p>
<p>PS: please read 2's post where he says stern is 5 and tepper is 6th. I agree stern has better location and job opportunities but that is how the rankings go and they are both great business schools.</p>
<p>Also, NYU CAS does suck otherwise, what is pulling NYU down? It can't be stern or tisch.</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHA, Duke, Studentsreview is a BS site where the same person can give multiple opinions. Honestly, is this really some kind of a joke? Your ranking had Rice at 1, and Colgate at 2 (both great schools, but not Harvard or Stanford). Even more hillarious, Soutwestern Assemblies of God was above Princeton...you can't seriously be citing this, you're embarassing Cmu with your research skills if you are.</p>
<p>Say what you want, but the Shanghai and American Research University rankings are both well respected. Top 10% in HS means nothing, my boarding school didn't even rank, and its one of the best in the country, most good high schools don't. When ranking a school, guaging how succussful alumni and faculty of a school are in academic fields is much more relevant than measuring top 10% of kids in high school when the best high schools don't even rank.</p>
<p>So far, we have 2 well reputed surveys putting NYU above CMU. CMU has one shoddy one (US News) and one joke one (studentsreview.com).</p>
<p>Sry but if those rankings are so well respected I doubt ANYONE in my class has heard of them. And yea top 10% does matter alot, as alot of CCers here give chances based on if people are top 10% in their ranking or not. </p>
<p>Well reputed ahahah.. USnews is more popular by itself than your two combined. And BTW I have 3. Princetonreview, USnews, and wenxuecity's chinese ranking that puts carnegie 2nd behind michigan. </p>
<p>3 vs 2 and even though Princeton may be outdated in SATs, it still says Carnegie 72% top 10 and NYU 60+%.</p>
<p>The usnews rankings of bschool is absurd. they just ask schools to rank themselves. not too scientific. the average sat at stern is rivalled only be the ivies.</p>
<p>I wouldn't call usnews absurd at all. Stern has better location and job opportunities though, but Carnegie is pulled up by its other great schools such as
(CIT)
(IS)
(MCS)
(SCS)
(TSB)
(BHA)
CAS or CFA as they call it, sucks, I agree.</p>
<p>and HSS, for the sake of Todd, I will say is not bad soley cuz of economics/math majors that are quite marketable and in Todd's case I believe he wants to transfer to Tepper.</p>
<p>Overall USnews and Preview are still wide-known respectable American rankings and they are so for a reason. Why would you trust foreign rankings for American universities and based on nobels and articles published? </p>
<p>Anyways NYU CAS is still worse than Cornell, Tufts, Uchicago, and ALL of Carnegie's schools except CFA which blows.</p>
<p>I'm cool with that. I'm not a big CAS fan myself-I think it's an overpriced medicocre education. I put Stern up there with the top schools in the nation</p>
<p>Yes, stern is very good. Tepper is behind it and SCS is probably Carnegie's best college which is probably what pulls it up overall.</p>
<p>PS: LOL I might get 100 posts off this thread alone.</p>
<p>Duke: "And yea top 10% does matter alot, as alot of CCers here give chances based on if people are top 10% in their ranking or not."</p>
<p>It doesn't matter how people here give chances, they aren't admissions officers. The posts here rarely mention the high school. Top 10% means close to nothing, an average person in the top 10% at an average high school has probably a worse chance at these schools than a middle of the pack student at my old high school or a top magnet school. </p>
<p>I don't care how popular US News is, popular doesn't mean reputable in any way, shape, or form. A Ford is more popular than a Maybach (which very few have heard of)...which would you rather drive? The NY Post is more popuar than the Wall St. Journal...where would want to get your financial news from? </p>
<p>Got a link for this "so called" Chinese ranking (though I'd question anything that puts Mich. at 1, and Carnegie at 2...thats as valid as that studentsreivew.com site you mentioned earlier)? Whats the methodology? I'd venture the Shanghai University one is way more respected, even though you haven't heard of it.</p>
<p>thanks jw,</p>
<p>Actually son's dorm was called mercer something, after mercer street which I think parallels Broadway (one street west?).
And he'll be at 1 New York Plaza. Goldmans summer program was awesome. He's psyched. Good luck to you.</p>
<p>PS this thread is really entertaining</p>
<p>The website is clear: <a href="http://www.wenxuecity.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.wenxuecity.com/</a> Just make sure you translate the text and find the college rankings. I'll ask my mom (who is chinese and dug this out in the first place) for more clearity in the morning.</p>
<p>And no USNews is not just popular, its VERY reputable. Its like Microsoft which is both reputable and dependable, competing against Macintosh. Even your NYUstern friend seems to agree with my overall points posted above and I think its time you just let this thread go and agree with my points(once again posted in my last post)</p>
<p>Yep, Mercer is one st. west of B'way. I'm not sure about the name of the dorm then....there are so many of them. The 1 NY Plaza Bldg. is close to 2 of my favorite bars in the area...Whitehorse Tavern, and Blarney Stone...your son could always have fun in these places when not working. </p>
<p>I'm glad you're entertained....this place would be boring without heated conversation.</p>
<p>And yea top 10 means alot more than nobel and article publishings. are you KIDDING with that stuff?</p>
<p>HEY LOOK GUYS I FOUND A COOL RANKING that rates colleges based on how many MILLIONSAIRES founded it. THus, cArnegie is ranked 1 because Andrew Carnegie, one of the richest individuals EVER in america founded it... YAY I WIN.</p>
<p>I can't make any sense out this site. At least the foreign ranking I cited was in English to begin with and was from a well known university.</p>
<p>Duker: "And no USNews is not just popular, its VERY reputable. Its like Microsoft which is both reputable and dependable, competing against Macintosh." </p>
<p>Ummm yeah, great analogy Which stock is doing better...apple or microsoft? FYI, msft. doesn't make hardware like apple. But since you have an operatiing system analogy....Linux is superior to Windows, but less popular. Mozilla is superior to IE, but again, less popular. </p>
<p>He's not my friend, and I don't care what he says. CLK makes valid points unlike you, and also has reasoned arguments. You have said the same repetitive nonesense here, and anyone reading this thread can see that.</p>
<p>Dukester: "And yea top 10 means alot more than nobel and article publishings. are you KIDDING with that stuff?"</p>
<p>Great profs make a great unversity...not some random cut-off of hs rank.</p>
<p>its not a cutoff its a realistic rank. You can argue at best that the 9.9 and 10.1 % get shafted but otherwise its a great system. How else are you going to standarize the different high schoools, course loads, and difficulties and differences between them?</p>
<p>I know that a 4.0 in NC is way different than a 4.0 at TJ. WHat better way than ranking and comparing the student with others in his high school? </p>
<p>and "great profs" are arguable. I hated my AP english teacher but almost all my friends liked him. Same for some other teachers and vice versa. Do you even know WHAT articles are published? Are they reputable or just random crap articles?
Nobels are also a bit on the random side, you can' base a college off that at all. </p>
<p>My student review site is even better than your nobel/article rankings. At least that is based on student happiness rating and I'd say more people care about what other students say and how they feel at the college than whether 400 articles or 2 articles were published.</p>