Chances for Wharton?

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<p>If someone can help me out, that’d be great. I’m finishing 11th grade, and I’m trying to decide between Penn and Wharton–if my chances for Wharton are decent, I’ll apply ED there. Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>Detroit Country Day School (private school where a lot of APs are offered; in suburbs of Detroit, MI)</p>

<p>Class size: 200
Rank: Top 10%</p>

<p>GPA: 3.86
SAT: 2360 (760 Math, 800 CR, 800 Writing, 12 essay)
ACT: 36 (10 essay)</p>

<p>AP’s: 5: AP Macro/Micro Econ, AP Euro
Current year (probably 5’s on all of them): AP English Lit., Physics C, Chemistry, Calc BC, World History, Human Geography, Chinese
12th grade: AP Bio, Spanish</p>

<p>IB’s
Current year: SL History, Physics
Next year: HL English, Math, Chemistry; SL Spanish</p>

<p>Math/Science
Michigan Math Prize Competition, Top 200
AIME Qualifier, 10th + 11th
TEAMS engineering competition, 1st in state, 10th + 11th</p>

<p>EC’s<a href=“in%20order%20of%20estimated%20importance?”>/U</a>
Varsity debate captain (2007 Division I State Semifinalist, 7 weeks of camp this summer)
School orchestra, Concertmaster
DSO Civic Orchestra, 4th stand, 1st Violin (top youth group in the Midwest)
School Tutoring service, Board Member
Hospice Volunteering (20+ hours)
Varsity Track, 10th and 11th</p>

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<p>No one really has a "decent" chance any more at Wharton - acceptance rate 9%. Your scores are plenty good but they deny lots of people w/ good scores. If you really want business apply to Wharton and if that doesn't work there are other undergrad B schools. No sense attending College if you want a business program. And if you don't , why are you applying to Wharton? And don't have any fantasy that you'll be able to transfer from College - they purposely make it very hard 'cause so many people want to "back door" their way into Wharton.</p>

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<p>Uhh for internal transfer isn't it just based on GPA and how many spots they have open? i.e. 10 spots open --> top 10 GPAs get into Wharton. But I think if you tried to backdoor Wharton they would weed you out in the freshman admit process anyway</p>

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<p>It depends on the number of spots, so the GPA cutoff changes year to year. But as for the cutoff it is purely GPA so difficulty and number of courses don't factor in at all.</p>

<p>Also, it's a shame that people keep perpetuating the concept of "backdoor" into Wharton. In reality, a lot of people who are able to transfer don't apply to transfer because Wharton is not right for them.</p>

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<p>Remember that Lee Stetson is much smarter than you when it comes to this and for every person who got into the College deliberately as a backdoor to Wharton, there are a dozen who got caught and got the axe.</p>

<p>If you want business, go to Wharton. If you want liberal arts, go to the College.</p>

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<p>Percy Skivins ---actually i was @ penn previews and they said the regular decision wharton acceptance rate was 5%
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<p>I was there too and they said overall rate was 9%. Both are correct. I've been playing with the math and I think for this to work, Wharton ED acceptance rate is around 20%. These are all significantly lower than rest of Penn. Wharton is apparently getting 25% of all undergrad applications (they said 5500 out of 22000 at the previews) even though it represents 13% of the acceptances (471/3610). But something is fishy about the numbers they give - they say they accepted 471 (and they only yield around 77% combined ED and RD) but Wharton fresh. class is 500 - I guess they are counting all the joint program people as non-Wharton in getting to the 3610 acceptances. If they counted them as Wharton, it would look even worse as to the % of applicants who are applying to Wharton. I'm guesstimating another 1500 joint program applications and another 130 joint program acceptances (combined ED and RD) which means that 1/3 of all applicants are applying either to Wharton or to a Wharton joint program. Also if you subtract out Wharton & joint people, then everyone else is left with 3,000 acceptances out of 15,000 applications, a not very impressive 20% acceptance rate - no wonder they don't like to break it down.</p>

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<p>BTW, 20% acceptance rate is where Cornell is, which leads to the thesis that Penn - Wharton = Cornell (except with more to do and less snow). </p>

<p>So you have Wharton which is as competitive as HYP and rest-of-Penn which is as competitive as Cornell. People like to play cool and act as if everyone is the same (just like we don't go around pointing out whose parents are rich and whose ain't) but the reality is that there is a gap which keeps getting bigger. At some point you can't ignore the elephant in the room.</p>

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<p>It would appear Percy's people skills are right up there with his math skills.</p>

<p>And remember, the gap is much smaller than it was</p>

<p>Wharton is hot right now because finance is the clearest way to riches at the moment. However that was not always the case and it will certainly not always be the case.</p>

<p>As long as you want to talk actual math and logic, Wharton has an exceptionally low acceptance rate in no small part because it has an exceptionally high yield rate--because it is essentially peerless. It's a long way down from Wharton to Stern, and undergraduate business schools remain a specialized niche.</p>

<p>The College, on the other hand, has a much fuller competitive field and as such suffers from an inevitably lower yield rate, which forces it to accept more applicants in order to fill the target class size.</p>

<p>If you are actually at Penn, the best proof is seeing the difference (or lack thereof) in intelligence between Wharton, CAS, and SEAS students. (are you even a penn student, percy?) There are a handful of arrogant and insecure nitwits like Percy, but by and large the Wharton superiority complex doesn't exist anywhere outside the heads of the most deluded of Whartonites.</p>

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<p>You admit it yourself - Wharton is peerless. College has many rivals (and betters) so the best qualified admits get bled off to HYP and are never seen on campus. Penn likes to tout the avg SAT of admits but it's a dirty little secret that the avg of the enrolled is lower. So where is the delusion? </p>

<p>Yes, in the long run we are all dead. But for now, Wharton is hot.</p>