<p>Reddune, you're wrong. The OP is just making top 10% at an uncompetitive school. That makes Harvard, even with a 2400, unlikely.</p>
<p>suze, with all due respect. Colleges DON'T RANK HIGH SCHOOL. The judgment of high school is relative to his area. A top 10% at Phillips is obviously superior to top 10% everywhere else, but if that was the case, college would be fill up with elite prep schools all across the nation with no chance for any other high school students to compete. The OP will be judge on his utility of the resources available to him at his high school, not the competiveness of his high school. Two years ago, I met two students from a very poor high school in San Antonio, TX, at a academic conference, and both got into MIT. Neither of them graduated in the top ten (not 10%), but hey MIT still wanted them. What does that say about the "competiveness of high school" factor? Of course if you go to a good high school, your chance at elite U is better because you have more opportunity to excel, but not everyone go to one of those schools. The Ivies have to fill the remaining dozens thousands seats some how.</p>
<p>"That makes Harvard, even with a 2400, unlikely."
Huh...The OP isn't applying to Harvard. And where did I say the OP is a shoe in for Harvard? Most of the school that I put as "Very Good Shot," the OP scores are through the roof for their level and their admission rate are at the 20-40%.</p>
<p>P.S.
Why do guessers here like to debate with other guesser about their OPINIONS (anyone notice the word opinion?) If anyone of us have a formular that guarantees 100% accuracy (or 70% even) please come show us. If a private consultant at Cali that gets pay $20,000 per student per year and still UNDERESTIMATED the chance of one of my friend (and got it wrong), then I don't think any of us can be here and claim we are right and everybody else is wrong. I respect other people's estimation of chances, but don't go and attack other like your estimation is the end-all guess.</p>
<p>Reddune, again, you're wrong. Colleges absolutely do consider the strength of the high school. While 7% of kids in the Country go to private schools, most ivies have about 35% from private schools.</p>
<p>You're correct, they could be full of top prep school students as they were 40 years ago, but they choose not to be. They pay very close attention to where students are coming from. A student from an inner city crummy high school, for example, will get in long before a student with the same rank and scores from a prep or wealthy suburban school.</p>
<p>High scores alone are the last thing that will get anyone into a top college, class rank is MUCH more important and a much better predictor of college performance. There are tons of slackers with high scores and low grades. They do great at schools below the top 25.</p>
<p>As for guesses versus facts, look at the common data sets.</p>
<p>And ivies need to fill seats???? Are you kidding???? 60% are filled before they get to your average, unhooked candidate.</p>
<p>"The OP is just making top 10% at an uncompetitive school. That makes Harvard, even with a 2400, unlikely."</p>
<p>"[ivies] could be full of top prep school students as they were 40 years ago, but they choose not to be. They pay very close attention to where students are coming from. A student from an inner city crummy high school, for example, will get in long before a student with the same rank and scores from a prep or wealthy suburban school."</p>
<p>I'm sorry...can you clear up the hypocrisy in these statements for me? I'm too thick headed some time to understand informal fallacies.</p>
<p>P.S.
You said I'm wrong and correct about the same statement I made (when view through two different lens). Can you make up you mind?</p>
<p>P.P.S
Please cite your source. I'm sorry for being suspicious of numbers. Of course, this is all opinions.</p>
<p>I actually think you got it this time. Top schools go after the student body makeup they want. If you're looking for common logic, look to state schools, most of which are forced to employ it.</p>
<p>Anyone who really wants to understand it should read Andrew Golden's (WSJ reporter) best selling book: The Price of Admission. Ivies still need to favor the wealthy, they want the money, hence all the private school kids. After that they want athletes who bring in money too. Then diversity, URMs and the very low income. Everyone inbetween is screwed.</p>
<p>Suze you really have to make up your mind. You're full of contradictions. If the admission of Ivies are one giant guessing game...then guess what...that's what you and I are doing (which I believe is the case, and I believe I said that in my previous posts). Looking up the "data" isn't going to help make it logical. Guessing isn't a logical thing. So are you guessing or are you stating an infalliable fact about the chances of the OP.</p>
<p>I read Golden's Pride of Admission, and it's not like he said anything most of us didn't either know or suspect. He brough it out in more details.</p>
<p>Reddune, read what I wote. It's no guessing game. It's quite well understood. 60% of seat go to the hooked: development kids, legacies, URMs, athletes. The other 40% needs to have stats that make up for these groups bringing stats down.</p>
<p>If you read just 2 books, the one referenced above and A is for Admission by former Dartmouth Adcom Michele Hernandez, you will be left with few questions.</p>
<p>And to answer your question, I believe the OP has a low chance at any top 15 college with his class rank.</p>
<p>"t's quite well understood. 60% of seat go to the hooked: development kids, legacies, URMs, athletes" I agree with you completely, although I'm not 100% about the 60% (seems too exact.)</p>
<p>Yes, I read Michele Hernandez too, and her other work: Acing College Application. All are very helpful advices on how to work the system. Personally, I used a lot of the tips when I applied two years ago. I still have a lot of question though. </p>
<p>Alright, this is just going no where. I'll just stop posting at this post now. OP, when you get your results back in April, please send me an PM, I would love to see how you fare. Good LUck.</p>
<p>Stanford University: 35%
Columbia University: 35%
University of Chicago: 70%
Brown University: 60%
Georgetown University: 80%
Washington University in St. Louis: 75%</p>
<p>By the way, it's not a huge upward trend and colleges don't care about that anyway.</p>
<p>. . . I think ~3.1 to ~4.2 is a pretty big swing up. Maybe I'm just crazy. I also think your chances at Stanford, Brown, and Columbia are much lower than the 35-60% range. We're talking about schools that accept <20% here.</p>
<p>I suppose the trend would be a higher GPA if my school's weighting system wasn't awful. I think it's a high trend. Thanks for all your opinions- but would my chances at Stanford be higher than at Brown and Columbia if they don't look at freshmen grades, even though Stanford is a more selective school?</p>
<p>I honestly hope you do well or whatever, but that AWFUL freshman year just shows that you are not serious about advancing your intellect, and the last 3 years seem to be superficial in every sense of the word (EC's included), and high-class universities will see right through that...</p>
<p>"I honestly hope you do well or whatever..." I honestly hope you're not like this in life, or whatever..
That sounds stupid, why would I not be serious in "advancing my intellect" if I went from a C+ average to an A average? Colleges will see right through what? my superficiality? my carefree attitude towards school? You're right, I just thought it'd be one hell of a joke to apply to a college to see if I could do it after I had a C+ average. And you're also right that I tried to make it to USAMO, TASP, and NFL Nationals Debate just as one big hoax. You know, in fact, it was a bet to see if I could do it. I really hope this information isn't leaked to a college that I apply to- i'd hate them to figure out my plan! I don't usually get defensive, but your logic is infantile.
PS: Don't tell Stanford you figured out my diabolical plan</p>
<p>The class rank is going to hurt you at all of those schools. You can always transfer, I think that's the plan for many who are late out of the gate.</p>
<p>Brown is your best shot, Columbia and Stanford are clearly rejections...</p>
<p>^And you clearly got chewed out for making a pretentious and downright unfounded assumption about the original poster's will to learn. pdef, you might want to invest in this thing called 'judgment'. It goes a long way in not making such tactless assumptions.</p>
<p>How would you feel if you worked hard in high school and someone called you superficial with no basis? I think you're the one that needs to grow up.</p>
<p>I'm bringing this thread from the dead.</p>
<p>Fifty dollars says x1429 (pun at 1729?) gets accepted to UChicago.</p>
<p>20 bucks he gets accepted to stanford ;]
be sure to tell us if you did</p>
<p>colleges love upward trends
plus your stats are pretty impressive</p>
<p>bump. I would like to know which schools x1429 was accepted to.</p>
<p>...................... im jealous</p>