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<p>I don’t think there was much talk of putting programs like AEM into into one big pot with say ILR or PAM. </p>
<p>But rather a business ‘division’ with Hotel, AEM, and Johnson grouped together would have helped to coordinate faculty hiring, improve student services, and save money on duplicative support functions (e.g. IT).</p>
<p>Funny how the business majors wouldn’t see the efficiency in that.</p>
<p>cayugared2005, there was talk of having the “business” majors of every college be put into a “college of management” but im sure there was also talk of creating a “division”</p>
<p>i dont think the business majors are against efficiency or cant see the efficiency… its just that every one of those majors make cornell special so merging them would seem like destroying whats unique about cornell. i mean i dont want to see anything else taken from cornell…for ex: is the russian department really going to be eliminated or am i just up-to-date…</p>
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Believe it (parts of ILR being merged with AEM to form what hilarious called a “college of management” and parts of ILR being merged with PAM etc into a “college of policy”) or not, it has [come</a> up](<a href=“http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2009/04/10/re-imagining-division-cornells-seven-schools]come”>http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2009/04/10/re-imagining-division-cornells-seven-schools) in the “Reimagining Cornell” talks, even if this was just Nagowski’s interpretation of what Fuchs was [hinting</a> at](<a href=“http://www.cornell.edu/statements/2009/20091218-fuchs-task-force-response.cfm]hinting”>Provost responds to academic task force reports | University Statements | Cornell University). But having related fields work together on the things you listed seems pretty obvious and I guess the fact that it’s just coming up now, during a budget crunch, is indicative of the size and complexity of this horrible Cornell bureaucracy I’ve heard so much about.</p>
<p>what a horrible missed oportunity to get rid of some beuracracy and purge the identity crisis in CALS, PAM, and Ilr. Seems like they are all being over run by Wall Street yuppies at the expense of agriculture, labor relations, and hospitality. AEM gets its recognition for now, but in the long term, the reputation of CALS, ILR, the Hotel School, and PAM will suffer greatly as fewer and fewer graduates are entering those fields the schools were intended to train in. (and you can include Eng. if you count Operations Research). What a disapointment.</p>
<p>If you thought you were going to apply to ILR, would you now apply to both ILR and AEM? How many students are they expecting to accept the first year? I noticed that the subject test requirements are math at any level and science. Does anyone else think that is odd? I would have expected math at level 2 and something else not eliminating science but allowing lit, lang, history, etc.</p>
<p>Wait, I’m sort of confused. How does ILR get affected by this?</p>
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Each college at Cornell has its own admissions offices and, subsequently, its own policies on subject tests. AEM is in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. It’s only natural that they ask for a science subject test. AEM students are also subject to the course requirements of CALS, [which</a> include](<a href=“http://aem.cornell.edu/undergrad/distribution.htm]which”>http://aem.cornell.edu/undergrad/distribution.htm) mandatory science courses a business major typically wouldn’t have to take. You’ve come across one of the main arguments for the AEM program being moved out of CALS, an option that the donation took off the table for the time being.
No other college/school at Cornell is affected by this at all. It just means the AEM department in CALS has some extra money and, because of the donor’s stipulations, that there won’t be any significant changes in the near future, like AEM moving out of CALS and possibly merging with other programs the University deems to have a business focus, both of which were brought up in the debate before the gift and creation of the school.</p>
<p>The notion that these programs in the contract colleges have evolved into “mini-whartons” seems to me to be a rather bizarre turn of events. In my day the Ag program was rooted in a very good program in agricultural economics, with a business component that seemed to stay close to that tenor, and was not huge. That biology was required turned no eyebrows back then. ILR was established by influence of the NYC labor unions, was accused even at its founding as being a haven for socialists. And in my day nobody even mentioned Hum Ec in such discussion.</p>
<p>To me the logical place for an undergrad business program, if one is needed, is to establish one at the Johnson school, and have the programs at these other colleges go back to their original missions. But I guess there is money, and turf, involved.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I imagine this lack of coordination means students have more overlapping/ redundant course options, so you can at least take advantage of it.</p>
<p>When you apply to Cornell, do you apply directly to the College that you want to go to, and then once selected do you select your major? So, could you apply to the CALS, complete their admission requirements, and not be accepted but be accepted into a different Cornell College? Since there seems to be some overlap of focus it seems that you could hit the Cornell Business programs from several different directions. Or, do you apply to Cornell as a whole, get accepted, and then choose your College?</p>
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Yeah, but then the Johnson school loses its “unique graduate program focus”–see somebody’s not happy in any situation. I think PAM (as a prospie, I didn’t even realize PAM churned out that many kids going into finance and such), ILR (from the career services reports, it seems that most kids, while not going into unions, are still doing something in human resources which is perfectly in line with what ILRies were meant to do), CAS econ, etc etc etc are far enough away from the AEM students’ business/finance crazy focus (the kids that come here starting threads “AEM '14…what are my chances at a BB???”) not to be affected, but something should definitely be done for the AEM kids. Although it seems from the ag school’s pitches to prospective students and focus on the rankings (watch the video of the Dyson guy talking about AEM–he wants it to stay in CALS but doesn’t seem to care that it isn’t really fitting with the CALS mission or what it was intended to be anymore and even brought up their “rise in the rankings”) that they want to be the home for those kids whether it was a part of the original mission or not. They don’t sell it as “the undergraduate business program with a focus on agribusiness”, they sell it as the alternative to Wharton–“the only other undergraduate business program in the Ivy League”–which obviously attracts those kinds of kids, who become those kinds of graduates.</p>
<p>For all those worrying about some big change, don’t. It just means more funding for AEM and a nice name attached to the program, which although it changes nothing operationally, I’m sure the name-conscious AEM majors will quickly adopt to calling it the “Dyson School” instead of the department of App. Ec. and Mgmt. </p>
<p>AEM majors have always bothered me. I was in CALS, and I’m darn proud of it. Once Ag Ec became ARME which became AEM, the future i-banking Wharton-esque crowd started appearing in much larger numbers and were embarrassed to say they were in an ag school. The level of disdain they would attach to CALS was obnoxious.</p>
<p>The one big obstacle to merging business programs (although one could certainly make an argument that it should be done on grounds of efficiency) is that the various programs in different schools tend to be cash cows for their respective schools. Also, according to the Class of 2009 outgoing survey, one-third of Cornell grads are getting jobs in financial services and management. The creation of a business school could pull a lot of students away from the other schools, and each college is competitive enough that they would be disinclined to let that happen. The current decentralization of business programs allows people to overlap with other programs of study; I dunno how they would make that work if there was a business college, since most colleges limit your majors and concentrations to that school which you are registered with. But, that’s all just a lot of speculation. I’m proud of having someone like Mr. Dyson step up to the plate and support student education.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, ontario, that AEM majors have always bothered you. I for one am not embarrassed to say that AEM is in CALS. It just shows that we’re unique and there’s history behind it. I also think the fact that Cornell has an ag school is great. Not something you see everyday.</p>
<p>“Yeah, but then the Johnson school loses its “unique graduate program focus”–see somebody’s not happy in any situation.”</p>
<p>Johnson should be sufficiently happy, if their role was substantialy expanded and the other colleges’ intrusion into conventional business fields was redesigned to strictly conform to their original missions, hence minimizing overlap. Outside of Cornell, “graduate program focus” is hardly “unique”, most top MBA programs do not have associated undergrad programs. But the ones that do- e.g., Wharton & NYU - seem to be sufficiently happy about them. So far as I can tell.</p>
<p>I would imagine it’s more internal turf wars and $$ that would be the issue.</p>
<p>But whatever.</p>
<p>I agree Johnson should be happy–I’d imagine having undergrad there would make them more money for the graduate program–but they’ve said they want to be more like Tuck and less like Wharton.</p>
<p>^Agreed. Although I think it may take more than a year, it will probably be referred to as Dyson.</p>