It does not. No one does. That is exactly why the 70 schools are teaming up to pool their data so that people will have it. Hopefully the rest (70 is a bit under 50% of all US med schools if I recall) will join in soon.
Yes, different programs have different standards. There’s a box and whisker plot for each specialty in the PD survey that plots “step 1 score above which we almost always interview” and “step 1 score below which we almost never interview.” It can be a pretty decent range.
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It also says that 27.7% had no medical school debt. So that means that 27.6% had medical school debt but said that it had no influence on specialty choice, while 44.7% had medical school debt that did influence specialty choice.
Unless they stopped after Internal medicine, I don’t put too much weight in high scorers choosing this. There are way too many high paying specialties requiring IM as the stepping stone.
Misread the post I was responding to. Please delete.
@texaspg The guy with $450K in student debt is 2/3rds through his residency. He plans to become a PC doc serving the LGBT community. That’s been his plan from the beginning. He has a mission. I doubt he’s going to change his mind at the last minute.
That is a huge amount of debt (and the $450k seems like it would include six figure undergraduate debt). Regarding PSLF, what percentage of jobs in internal and family medicine are eligible (i.e. at non-profit or government employers)? How does that compare to other specialties?
iwbb - which post number?
wowmom - noble goal but how do you see income supporting paying off 450k in loans? I have seen you do these loan payoff numbers before.
The young doctor in question has HUGE undergrad debt. He graduated from a frequently mentioned on CC Boston area private university where he was full pay. He borrowed the full COA for all 4 years.
His medical education debt represents about 1/3 of the amount he owes.
There are plenty of PSLF-eligible jobs available for IM and FM even in desirable areas. All direct employment positions at non-profit hospitals or clinics are eligible. All non-profit private hospitals and their associated clinics are eligible. All federal, state or county-supported hospitals and clinics. (VA & military hospitals & clinics, Indian Health Service hospitals & clinics, all public county hospitals and any associated clinics, etc.) Academic hospitals and their associated clinics. Any 501© non-profit organization.
The young doctor in question is in an academic residency (PSLF eligible) and will likely be offered a staff position with the university’s LGBT-outreach clinic (also PSLF eligible). The residency is located in a very popular, high growth major metro area with a large LGBT population. He’s making the minimum allowable ICR monthly repayment because his area is also high COL. (ICR requires payment of 20% of discretionary income after adjustment for local COL & family status. He’s using ICR because that allowed him to consolidate Parent Plus loans into part of his federal student loan debt.)
He has 2 years completed toward his 10 years PSLF service done. D1 enrolled in PSLF as soon as she graduated; so did D2 so that their residency years (at academic centers) count toward the PSLF time.
The issue that current and future med students need to be aware of is that Congress is currently considering several bills that make major changes to PSLF. PSLF will either be eliminated or will place a ceiling on the amount of loans that can be forgiven. ($40K is the most commonly mentioned ceiling, but some proposal set the ceiling at $20K.) Individuals already enrolled in the program will be grandfathered under current rules. (Why both kidlets enrolled as soon they became eligible.)Why would that be? It would seem like anything above 250 would be adequate for MGH.
What do you mean by “same as getting into a specialty.”
I assume he meant “same as getting into a competitive specialty” which is definitely true
What IWBB said!
From what I understood, the top rated residency programs, irrespective of what is expected as an average score in that specialty, will have many more competitive applicants and so will require competitive specialty numbers.
I assume people can get into a competitive specialty on the average score for that program at most places but does that average get you into Urology at Mayo Clinic or Psychiatry at Columbia or IM at MGH - I don’t know. I assume it is still possible but you must have other things going for you, like publications or a Ph.D.
MGH Step1>255 only is an old wife’s tale.
I interviewed a resident from MGH for fellowship last month. His Step 1 score was 210.
So what got him in?
He was an URM born in Nigeria, worked as a physical therapist at Hopkins, class president at Rochester. Most important of all, some faculty come to bat for him and vouched for him.
Is there an MCAT to medical school version of these?
@AmbitiousKid1987 Not an interactive one but AAMC has tables for GPA/MCAT and what percentage got accepted to at least one medical school.
I was thinking cure for cancer but I guess faculty can get you in too.