Cheating at Hanover High, NH

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Perhaps they can also afford to come in with some homework not completely or perfectly done on occasion. ;)
One of my kids' teachers once made a point to me about the importance of class participation -- that it is not only for the sake of the participant but for the sake of the others in the class. IMO a class is a community and there is an obligation that each student has to that community that might even come before their own self interest. I too am a parent who would never consider allowing my kid to go to school late simply to avoid showing up without all HW done. IMO it is putting the grade before other values -- not a message I want to send my kids. Better they should confront the situation and deal with the teacher however they can. I even sometimes insisted on "lights out" at a certain point (even if HW was not completed) so they could get their sleep, as I considered their health more important.</p>

<p>But hey, different strokes for different folks.</p>

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<p>Speaking for my own household, the sleeping in happened maybe 3 times a year - and with one kid who had minor, controllable health problems, it was often an attempt to stave off a longer absence from school if he did develop some kind of asthma complication. </p>

<p>Dropping the EC that causes the extended day might seem to be a solution, but both my kids got their "friends" time AND needed physical activity from participating in sports (neither at a level that would affect college or anything other than their own personal health - mental and physical). Neither of my kids are into IMing - they don't have the time - and the only time they were out in the evening before a school day was for a school sponsored activity.</p>

<p>Obviously different families handle this differently. I went into parenthood and the public school thinking the faculty and administrators truly understood the impact of their actions on kids, modified my belief after experience, and took the steps I thought were necessary. I doubt I'll see my picture hanging up in the post office lobby.</p>

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<p>Just to add: son was expert at not doing all his homework, and taking the ding in his grades for doing so.</p>

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<p>Please reread my posts.... I made it quite clear that my kids do not 'goof off" with phone, friends, etc, when homework needs to be done.... so your point is worthless.</p>

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<p>JLAUR - I have not in any way said anything demeaning about you or your kids - or even come close to the possibility that they 'goof off' </p>

<p>All kids need balance - cuz sometimes the scales tend to be off-kilter and adjustments have to be made - as we do in our own adult lives. I am entitled to my opinion without - as you are - but the negative vibes you are throwing at me are really not necessary.</p>

<p>Your kids have schedules that are similar to many other kids - please don't put them above others for the sake of this discussion - in that other kids don't have schedules like theirs - because you really don't know that for fact.</p>

<p>Have a good day - done.</p>

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<p>God Bless those teachers that would put their planned homeworks for the week ahead of time! Especially those that put the following week up on Friday, so the students who had games on Monday and Tuesday nights could get a little bit done over the weekend. </p>

<p>There were times when my sons had games two night in a row- sometimes over an hour away. They'd be put on a bus before school was even out, and wouldn't get home until 10 at night. Baseball games are long, and we had a coach who wanted them there 2 hours ahead of time! Needless to say that sitting down to do three hours of homework at 11 PM after a full day is just ridiculous. So my everlasting gratitude to teachers who give kids' the heads up on upcoming deadlines.</p>

<p>There were also times during flu season when we'd have 20 percent of the school out sick. Kids would be dropping like flies. I was always particularly cognizant during those spells of how tired my kids looked, whether they were eating and sleeping, whether they were burning the candles at both ends. What's the saying about the ounce of prevention worth a pound of ??? (remorse?). It only happened a few times a year, but sometimes my youngest would come downstairs in the AM and say, "I just got to sleep an hour ago." Those were the days we'd figure out how to get him into school for the periods he needed to be there and kept him home for the rest. In my opinion, that was better than toughing it out and then missing the entire next week of school because by that time, the kid is REALLY ill. </p>

<p>My H does this for work sometimes. Last week he didn't get home from a business trip until around 3 AM. He went into the office at noon the next day. No sense in killing himself and getting sick, missing even more work.</p>

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<p>Jyber....>>>> Better they should confront the situation and deal with the teacher however they can. I even sometimes insisted on "lights out" at a certain point (even if HW was not completed) so they could get their sleep, as I considered their health more important.<<<<</p>

<p>Dealing with the teacher - tried that, didn't work... Even the principal has spoken to the worst offender - she's stubborn.</p>

<p>I consider my kids' health most important, too... That's why, on occasion, if they are up until 3 am doing their homework (without any goof off time), I let them sleep in.</p>

<p>My kids miss far less school than most kids so they are part of the "community" and certainly are stars at "class participation". They regularly win the year-end class awards which is given to highest grades (which includes class participation)</p>

<p>If my kids went to a public school or a less demanding private, I probably would not be faced with this issue (my kids "public' friends have far less homework and they go to a top public - lots of NMF, etc)</p>

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<p>lefthand...>>>
Obviously different families handle this differently. I went into parenthood and the public school thinking the faculty and administrators truly understood the impact of their actions on kids, modified my belief after experience, and took the steps I thought were necessary. <<<<</p>

<p>I'm convinced that the ONLY teachers (public or private) that truly understand "the impact of their actions" are ones who have recently raised high school kids who ALSO took difficult course loads. Those who have never had teens in the home or those who had lower performing teens with lighter schedules live in "la la land" when it comes to understanding the "impact of their actions. </p>

<p>I see a huge difference between the teachers who have recently raised "high performing" teens and those who've never had teens or had "lower performing teens" - the difference ibetween those two groups of teachers is not subtle.</p>

<p>The first group do not assign too much homework, they avoid "projects" and busy work. They rarely assign much homework over holidays. The second group live in the land of OZ - they think holidays are holidays for faculty only (they remind me of that thread about the journalist that wrote a book on paying for college before she ever had a college-aged child herself. Now that her child is a senior - who now wants to go to Georgetown - she's had a huge wake up call and realizes the foolishness of her prior writings/musings.)</p>

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<p>double >>> God Bless those teachers that would put their planned homeworks for the week ahead of time! <<<<</p>

<p>Yes!!!! (this is something that the better/best teachers do!!!) our principal is considering requiring all teachers to do this because then kids can manage their homework at a steady pace based on their personal schedules (ortho appts, practices, other homework, etc) Plus, it is more "college like" - my college son knows when all his upcoming assignments, quizzes, tests, etc are scheduled.</p>