<p>"Because, you know, eveyone of my friends cheated, I never thought it was a big deal,"</p>
<p>It IS a big deal. That's where you're wrong. Just because you beat them does not mean it's not a problem. It just wasn't a "problem" for <em>you</em>. It was a problem for the students on the same achievement or ability level as the cheaters, but were honest. It's not equitable, and it compromises the integrity of the grading for all concerned.</p>
<p>Hey, I think these are future CEOs/CFOs(Jeffrey Skilling, Andrew Fastow type).;)</p>
<p>If u were a smart kid, and good at math.... what other ppl do shouldn't concern u or your grade.... so what if they get higher grades.... that doesn't change your grade, if u rat them out.</p>
<p>i think u must not be good at math... and so u want others not as good as well to suffer............. I think u should
"do you" and not worry about other ppl.... besides they can't cheat in college, or they'll get thrown out. let them have their fun now.</p>
<p>^I don't agree. Being passive about cheating won't solve any problems.</p>
<p>Can you realistically expect every other person to beat the cheaters with extra studying? I don't see how people can still not think it's a huge deal when they're working harder because someone else is doing zero to little work.</p>
<p>I'm also tired of hearing how horrible it is to report a friend. I suppose it's because I am not good friends with any cheaters. I've gone that route and really it was nothing more than harassment for assignments. I'm sorry, but I sympathize very little with this. If they're the hardcore cheaters I've known in the past, then report them and/or get new friends. I don't expect my friends to overlook the rules for me and they shouldn't expect that I do for them.</p>
<p>If it is something as planned out as cheating on a test, fraud, or plagiarism then it is better for them to be caught now when punishment is relatively WEAK then to be outed in college where they risk expulsion or later in life and career. I was caught, along with the majority of the class, cheating on an large assignment in middle school and it set me straight. I look around now and see that some of the same people learned the lesson as well.</p>
<p>there is nothing wrong with cheating</p>
<p>all this stuff you have to know is pretty useless and is just hoops you have to jump through to get where you want to go. personally, i think if you can minimize the nonsense busy work you have to do and maximize the time to spend on stuff you want to do then you are doing good in life.</p>
<p>I hate cheaters very much because in high school I, along with another buddy of mine, were often the people who had their answers grabbed by wandering eyes.</p>
<p>But then (especially true for multiple choice and scantron tests). I deliberately put down the wrong answer (for example, if the answer was A, I'd put B, if B, I'd put C, and so on and so forth) and then 5 minutes before the test ended, would erase and change everything.</p>
<p>Class averages went down slightly after I started doing that :p</p>
<p>But anyway, anonymous letter is a good place to start. Suggesting calculator clearing is also really good. You also might want to make your suggestion anonymous as well.</p>
<p>I don't think cheating is so bad when its just busywork. For example oftentimes my French teacher gives us huge packets or repetetive questions on stuff we've went over a gazillion times, and I split it up with a couple of friends. The packet only counts as a homework grade.
But when it comes to final exams or standardized testing, I take cheating more seriously. People cheating on these tests can actually affect your grade because it can change the grading curve.<br>
Finals aren't just busy work...they are supposed to evaluate whether you know the information you learned during the course. If you have to cheat on that, you shouldn't pass.</p>
<p>People at my schools clear calculators in math/science. However, students that cheat usually end up archiving it, so it doesn't get deleted. </p>
<p>If people cheat, it will catch up to them. That's something very important. And they probably have low self-esteem or something is up. It may not immediately bother them, but it will someday or in another form</p>
<p>People will write on desks, hands, or look at other people's papers as well. Some people switched scantrons! How they got away with that, I don't know.</p>
<p>I, too, don't understand why it's worse to rat someone out than it is to cheat. </p>
<p>I suspect it stems back to elementary school, when teachers actually tell kids that no one likes a tattle tale. Regardless, by high school, kids should know how to prioritize different moral dilemmas and understand the ethical difference between egregious dishonesty and pointing it out.</p>
<p>My school is HORRIBLE when it comes to cheating. Seriously, all the teachers know about it but don't do anything. Certain kids I know are compulsive cheaters (everybody knows) but no action has come to them! At this point, I've given up caring. They kids who cheat end up screwing themselves over anyways during essay tests and the like.</p>
<p>^^Maybe because the teachers are also afraid to confront cheaters, for fear that their colleagues will accuse them of tattling? I would hate to learn that this is the case, though.</p>
<p>So benny, will college be as "useless" for you, too?</p>
<p>Those are some pretty unprofessional teachers, Jakor.</p>
<p>"So benny, will college be as "useless" for you, too?"</p>
<p>it depends on what i'm learning and if it pertains to what i want to do with my life. i don't buy into the idea that spending hours memorizing things that i won't ever need/have the desire to know again after the test makes me a better person than someone who instead does something more productive/fun with their time and cheats on the test. at the end of the day most of this stuff doesn't matter and life is way too short to dedicate hours a day on it.</p>
<p>epiphany: Yes, they are. The problem is that if every student whose cheated in a major way was kicked out of our magnet program, there'd be like... 10/80 kids left. Plus, when teachers don't do what these certain students want (like make them captain of whatever club, etc), the students rat the teachers out for minor offenses and try to get them fired. It's so stupid. It's so annoying when students that you KNOW copied each other's work start whining that a test was so hard and they didn't deserve to get a D. <em>venting moment</em></p>
<p>From another perspective. At my D school last year, one kid whoi had a really bad grade on a take home test( really hard take home test), while my D spent 4-8 hours already on it and had 100%. He rat to the front office, claiming everybody cheats because it was a take home test, the front office called in the teacher and the grade for the test home test was scratched. The teacher was so mad and gave a really hard test in replacement of the take home test for revenge( she did not care).The one that rat also did not do well on that test either.
I think that behavior is also equivalent to cheating.</p>
<p>PS: I do not condon cheating and have made it clear to my D that cheating is a no no in my household because she is cheating herself, I mean the learning process. I rather she gets a C.</p>
<p>Jakor,
They're unprofessional <em>and</em> they're political. If what you say is true, that's pretty spineless behavior, but it's hard to resist the group without consequences for that, if administration is sending a message that we'd better do what families want us to do. Generally, teachers "read" what the administration expects of them (if a private school especially). That is not an excuse for spineless behavior, but I could not work among such colleagues, or under such an administration. (D's school has an administration with different priorities than that, but they are also unacceptable priorities.)</p>
<p>epiphany,
I don't think it's the school's administration (in the specific case I was referring to, the student went to district level [as with most parental complaints]). The admins have been trying to actually crack down on the cheating students but a lot of the time they just deny it. Plus, again, we're a magnet and if the "good" students get kicked out, there really won't be any left. The only way most of the teachers have "retaliated" is by taking anti-cheating measures against the entire class and refusing recommendations. That's all they can really do at this point.</p>
<p>i know a girl whos so dumb really, i;ve known her since kindergart3en she's cheated her way through life, she got into columbia- for SATS she sat next to the validctorian in my school who got a 2400 and she got a 2200 her GPA is like a 98 because she knows everybody in the shcool and everyone will let her cheat as for her extra credicts - she did like 3 of those clubs you jsut dont do anything and her mom works in a private hospital and shes close with the boss and got her a lot of points for "volunteering" in the summer</p>