<p>@Ihearteurope</p>
<p>That girl is a rotten human being. There are plenty of kids just like her at my school, and it's absurdly wrong that they've gotten away with what they have.</p>
<p>a wise man(teacher) once told me</p>
<p>"Your integrity is more important than any question i can ask you on a test"</p>
<p>Look, no one is saying cheating is right. Its wrong, its unfair, but its a part of life. People on this thread are *****ing about it but what can you do?? Ratting people out wont stop them from cheating, it will only make them more careful when they go about doing it again. </p>
<p>Cheating is something we have to accept, but the reality is it does not affect your own personal scores and if your moral values keep you from cheating, more power to you. People are just *****ing because they think its unfair, and hell it is unfair but so are alot of other things in life. It is the reality of our world and we all have to accept it and no amount of whining or crying will change that.</p>
<p>Well some cheaters do go all the way up to the ivys; that's just how life goes. At my school, in the regular classes hardly anyone cheats. But at all my honors classes, cheating is incredibly rampant. As in...I know possibly 2-3 people in my entire grade level who have not cheated in HS. What is cheating? writing on desks, asking about test questions from earlier periods, agreeing to grade someone's paper "easy"? There are so many forms of it, and on some level we all do it in our lives whether academically or in another dynamic, that you can't let that anger get to you. Understand where they come from, agree not to do it, and move on. Cheating is bad, but ruining someone's career is far, far worse.</p>
<p>But hey, do you want to cheat your way through life? That fear alone keeps me straight. Some people will risk it though, so be it.</p>
<p>Something to think about for those who think cheating is OK:</p>
<p>Someday when the cheater becomes a surgeon who cuts corners when he operates on you, a lawyer whose malpractice in real estate causes you to lose your house, or the corporate accountant whose misdeeds cost your elderly parents their retirement savings, you may wish that you helped put a stop to his character problem while he was still in high school.</p>
<p>slippery slope arguments are stupid. sometimes cheating is ok sometimes its not.</p>
<p>cheating on vocabulary test = ok</p>
<p>cutting corners while doing surgery = not ok</p>
<p>anyone with half a brain can figure this out.</p>
<p>my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins. yall diggin what i'm tryin to say????</p>
<p>Well in my classes, it's virtually impossible to cheat, given the nature of the classes. Yes, in my AP Calculus class you can program all the derivative and integral formulas you want, but it doesn't help you a bit if you don't know how to use the formulas or can't figure out how to use them in the problem solving process. Actually, according to my calculus teacher, AP guidelines state that calculators may be programmed for use on the AP exam, and that 89s are allowed to be used on the exam. It's been my experience that once you get beyond rote memorization based classes (ie all the classes i took my junior year were more problem solving based than memorization based), that the easiest way to do well on the tests is to actually learn the material rather than cheat. It's easy to program a formula into your calculator, it's much harder to program a whole thinking process, which is what my teachers are grading.</p>
<p>"cheating on vocabulary test = ok"</p>
<p>Sez who?</p>
<p>I want to know one COLLEGE professor (and that's where you high school students are headed) who would not report such a student immediately to the disciplinary committee. This is perhaps the easiest way to get expelled and to blow all the money you and your parents put into your education.</p>
<p>It's not okay.</p>
<p>on my moral compass it is ok</p>
<p>all those memorization tests are completely useless and a waste of time. if i can minimize my time wasted and maximize my time having fun then i am doing good at life. plus learning a bunch of vocabulary words that no one uses is completely useless and you look [edited out for language - Mod JEM] using them in conversation. therefore... it is against my morals to not cheat on vocabulary tests.</p>
<p>So, if you know there are cheaters, tell the teachers.</p>
<p>The cheating will continue as long as the noncheaters know about the cheating, but do nothing to stop it. Every time you do nothing when someone tells you about their cheating plans or you see someone cheating, you are contributing to the cheating problem in your school.</p>
<p>""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)"</p>
<p>I'm agreeing with bennyblanco on this one.</p>
<p>I'm not agreeing with bennyblanco on this one - I agree that your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins, but I feel that my nose begins when your grade rises above mine in English and my class rank drops, because I didn't feel right cheating (or when the teacher makes the subsequent quizzes harder because the average was very high on the previous ones).</p>
<p>well think about it this way, cheaters in high school are cheaters in life. And eventually, one day, they will get busted somehow.</p>
<p>Why do you imagine they will all get busted? It's certainly a nice thought, but I imagine a lot of them don't.</p>
<p>I agree, the cheating has gotten out of control!! At my school, there isn't a lot of cheating at all with the graphing calculators, the teachers check them before we test. The major problem is that everyone texts each other for the answers...</p>
<p>i cheated throughout all 4 years in highschool. freshman year it was petty stuff like righting a formula down on my desk or vocab words. sometimes asking a friend for an answer. as i moved into sophomore year, and started forming a circle of friends in our clique, it turned got deeper. then as jr and sr year started, and 5 of us were like brothers and we knew we could trust each other to the end, got even worse. from taking a copy of tests one period for someone taking it later in the day, taking someones test that you know studied and giving it to someone else, and it's not like it's hard to cheat on sat's or ap tests either.</p>
<p>i don't feel bad about any of it. yeah, mabey i hurt some people along the way, but either be the hunter or the hunted. and before someone on their high horse starts in, i won't be led into any of the downward spiral "logic"</p>
<p>I don't think anyone's arguing that it is hard to cheat. I don't think there's any need for "downward spiral 'logic'" either - if you cheated all through high school, haven't you already gone down the downward spiral? I recognize that I shouldn't lecture random people on the Internet, but if you knew that there was no way you could get caught by anyone in authority, would you have any problem mentioning to all the other students at your school whom you beat out in rank, and got into a better school than because of cheating?</p>
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if you cheated all through high school, haven't you already gone down the downward spiral?
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i was going to the whole "you cheated in highschool, that's like a doctor skipping a few steps in surgery". i don't see, at all, how me not knowing anything about calc BC or environmental science will make me any worse of a lawyer...</p>
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but if you knew that there was no way you could get caught by anyone in authority, would you have any problem mentioning to all the other students at your school whom you beat out in rank, and got into a better school than because of cheating?
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no, i would not have any problem doing so. and have asked people at my school with the i art holier than thou mindset who "have never cheated on anything" how that's working out for them, and more often than not the answer is not too well</p>
<p>Diesel, here's a question: what keeps a person who cheated throughout high school and college from also cheating in his career when things get stressful? </p>
<p>I can imagine how easy it would be to make the leap. After all, saving one's skin is saving one's skin. If that's the case, there's a direct line between cheating in high school and scandals like Enron. Sure, not all dishonest people get jobs as CEOs so their actions might not have the same consequences, but that doesn't make the actions themselves any more justifiable.</p>
<p>nothing.</p>
<p>what keeps a person who didn't cheat throughout high school and college from cheating in his<a href="i%20guess%20women%20don't%20cheat">b</a>** career when things get stressful?</p>