<p>No, I don't suppose Calc BC will be all that important to you as a lawyer - environmental science maybe, depending on what kind of law you go into, but that's not the point. it's the people who don't get into law school because of your higher grades that I worry about.
Is it possible that the reason it isn't working out so well for the non-cheaters is because standards are artificially high because so many people cheat? Not cheating worked just fine for me, not that that has any real bearing on the topic.<br>
A general question for everyone - why is cheating in a career so much worse than cheating in high school? Either way, you're benefitting at the expense of those who play by the rules. The magnitude is obviously different, but isn't the idea about the same? (OK, maybe not for the surgeon, but for the businessperson?)</p>
<p>There is something wrong when cheating and getting away with it is considered OK but earning a lower grade is considered the mark of a scumbag.</p>
<p>I can't see how I'd be able to live with myself knowing that I only got through school because I cheated. I feel badly enough about the electronics circuits class I earned a B in despite the fact that I utterly failed to learn the material like I was supposed to. I did NOT cheat and followed the rules to the letter of the law, but I feel bad because I know that if my grade affected my actual understanding of the material, I would have flunked. (Of course, you could say that over half the students nationwide who take this course "should" flunk it.)</p>
<p>In your anonymous letter, document the methods they use to cheat, and politely ask the teachers to monitor their classes!</p>
<p>yeah...cheaters will be found in all aspects of life (<em>shhh</em> I am guilty of looking at my lab partner's scantron time to time)</p>
<p>Here's an anecdote: There's this one kid at our school who's such a cocky a$$...basically no one likes him, but we pretend to put up with his anyway. He has one of the highest GPAs of the entire school (he's in like the top 3~ish), but he cheats in every freaking class. Worse, he brags about it. </p>
<p>Now, we're all morally upstanding citizens, so we don't rat each other out (hehe, the irony), but its gotten to the point where teachers love him because of his grades, but they don't seem to suspect anything from their "perfect student". Even if we slip an anonymous note, the kid is decently smart, so he can just study for the exam and ace it anyway.</p>
<p>The way I think of it, he'll probably get into Princeton, continue his cheating..."orgy" (thanks for the metaphor OP), and probably end up successful. There's really nothing you can do.</p>
<p>The only solution: wait until you build up your own world empire, and then send an assassin/ninja team to destroy him. End of subject.</p>
<p>haha Indian...i know the type you are talking about</p>
<p>sad thing is that it is these types of people that get good grades, are outgoing enough to have a strong high school social life, and gets most people to like him/her</p>
<p>he/she probably does a "popular" sport or activity (eg. football or cheerleading) right? and shifts through boyfriends/girlfriends routinely?</p>
<p>haha i know that type NO G8 SN...im actually best friends with one of them =D</p>
<p>btw just my two cents,</p>
<p>cheating is wrong, but everyone (you know who you are) is capable of it</p>
<p>i figure that people shouldn't go around tattling on what they see. I don't consider cheating a major offense, probably because at least 70 - 90% of all high school students do it</p>
<p>haha, yep! This kid's in water polo (a huge sport at my school), is fairly popular (though most of our Junior class can't tolerate him), and he does shuffle through girls pretty quickly.</p>
<p>If you didn't know about his cheating, you'd think he's an all-round successful guy...but my ninja army and I know the real truth. Hehe</p>
<p>gosh it was only this school year that i realized that cheaters always prosper. it was so sad to realize this but this is what high school does to people.</p>
<p>Oh, do I detect a hint of jealousy in Indian and peachyogurt? :D</p>
<p>I agree with AmericanGraffiti. Cheating is ridiculously prevalent in high school and college. It has become characteristic of modern education.</p>
<p>u know what i hate...is when ppl accuse u of cheating..i had the highest average in my ap world class...and this indian girl (i am also indian) goes around telling ppl i cheat in that class, BUT SHE'S NOT EVEN IN MY CLASS...SHE'S JUST A JEALOUS **<strong><em>....JUST BECAUSE SHE GOT A B, DOESNT MEAN SHE SHOULD GO AROUND TRYING TO RUIN MY REPUTATION...I HATE CHEATERS....THEY *</em></strong> ME OFF...AND WHATS MORE...I HATE PPL WHO ACCUSE OTHER PPL OF CHEATING, WHEN THEY DONT!!!</p>
<p>lot of people say/think that i cheat. however, they are correct, so doesn't bother me as much.</p>
<p>The "Cheaters never win" proverb isn't necessarily disproven by the fact that cheating kids get into top colleges. In most colleges, cheating is a serious infraction that often results in serious consequences. Those cheaters are going to have to put an end to their cheating career. In the long run, life will be more difficult for them, because not everything has an easy shortcut.</p>
<p>I hate when paranoid teachers think you're cheating. I have side-bangs, so I was tilting my head a certain way and holding the bangs back during a test. I suppose it must have looked like I was shielding my eyes and averting them to keep from looking at someone else's paper. So my teacher freaked out and moved me to a desk outside of the classroom. -_-;;</p>
<p>A friend of my son's got caught in the act and got in a lot of trouble. Immediate suspension, banned from extracurricular activities till the end of the year. It was not pretty, but unfortunately my son knows a lot of his friends who cheat. He's never turned anyone in, but sure complains about it. Mostly his grades are great, but occasionally not. I would rather he be honest, but he always says that doesn't help in get into college when others cheat to boost their GPAs.</p>
<p>Speaking as an adult, don't think you can cheat through life and get away with it. My husband runs a highly skilled engineering group at a major company. He once hired a young lady right out of college because he was most impressed by the extensive list of projects she had worked on. After a couple of months she came to him and confessed that while she had been on the teams for those projects, she had never really actually done any of the work. And now she couldn't handle the assignments she was being given. They managed to find her a less demanding, and lower paying, job somewhere else in the company.</p>
<p>pretty much everyone at my school cheats.. not as bad as some of the stories
for our math finals and regents , our calculators have to get cleared right before the test, soo we can't put formulas or anything on it.</p>
<p>There was a cheating problem in my school this year in AP US History and last year in AP World History, and the same people cheated on tests! The Social Studies chairperson told us last year that if anyone cheats again they'd get dropped from AP History but they did nothing! And they knew who cheated! So my friend left an anonymous note in my teacher's mailbox. Apparently, no one cares.</p>
<p>In my particular classes (basically the same 20 kids all day, the nerdy fast track), it's "my busy work is your busy work". There are a few kids that think they're above it, until they forget to finish an assignment one day. When it comes to tests, though? Eyes OFF.</p>
<p>One particular girl brought a cheat sheet to her English final and four kids told on her right then and there. She threw it in the trash can (idiot) and the teacher fished right back out. Once word got around, especially in AP Bio, none of us would help her with final reviews or studying. </p>
<p>This is the same girl who flat-out stared at my AP Bio test and asked "What are you doing?!" I take my tests from end to beginning for that reason alone, and apparently it was messing her up.</p>
<p>well, from my perspective, cheating doesn't really benefit. there is only so much much material you can cheat on. Cheating only benefits your GPA, and maybe even give you that 4.0. But come on, it's not that hard to have straight A's without cheating. High school grades are determined by effort, not knowledge, everyone knows that. However, for standardized tests or anything else that actually tests brain power, cheating is of no use. In order to do well on College Board's tests, they will have to learn the material; there is no other way. so if you see someone cheating, don't fret because if they really don't know the material, they will get screwed in some way, either by getting caught or not doing so well on standardized tests. </p>
<p>Cheating can make a mediocre student academically good, but it can never turn a good student academically great.</p>
<p>At my school no matter how much you cheat when its scomes down to Georgia EOCTs your f***ed you cant cheat and they are not only standardized but worth 15% of your total grade, fail and you most likely will fail the class. Thats why i love GA systems( although they are made for you to pass if you cheat you don't know it so you FAIL)</p>