<p>As a Christian parent, I would really love to see my son attend a Christian college such as Taylor, Grove City, or Wheaton. That was the plan but it does appear almost certain that my son will not apply to any Christian schools because of his extreme stengths in math and physics. I have very mixed feelings about it. I know there are many good strong orthodox support groups on various campuses but I also know there are weaker support groups and certainly some extremely erroneous and bad teaching at secular schools as they try to sway our Christian kids to abandon their beliefs. </p>
<p>I was very delighted to hear of Christian professors on the campus of Harvey Mudd and Princeton but they are definitely secular campuses. I also feel that my son will be missing out on some amazing courses in theology, philosophy, and religion from a Christian perspective by not attending a Christian college. </p>
<p>Yet, he has been gifted in areas that are best developed at a secular school....and I know some very strong Christians attend secular schools.</p>
<p>I think I need encouragement that we're making the right choice. When the math prof at Grove City told my son to look at secular colleges because Christian colleges didn't offer enough for him academically, that's when it became clear that he most likely wouldn't be attending a Christian college.</p>
<p>I went to a secular school and don’t regret it. However, being in the same boat (more or less) with middle son choosing a secular school I will say that there are concerns. I saw many leave their faith without stopping to question if the challenges to their faith were worthy or not. My own faith was seriously challenged, but I did my own research beyond the questions and feel my faith was strengthened. I know of very few others like myself, esp compared to the numbers dropping their faith (or active faith).</p>
<p>Based on my own research I’ve made sure to raise all of my boys knowing more than I ever knew (about the reasons for faith) while they were growing up. At that time, I just assumed they would all attend my Alma mater as I truly did love the experience there. Oldest dashed that dream when he wanted a Christian college. He’s perfectly happy at his Christian college and I’m now convinced that it was the right choice for him. It opened my eyes to Christian colleges (at least some of them) and I thought they could be good options for all of my boys. However…</p>
<p>Middle son is also not going to my Alma mater, but secular choices are a better academic fit for him, so… I’m making sure he knows the challenges that will come and how I ended up answering them, but in reality, those challenges will only become real when he experiences them himself. And, his response to those challenges will have to be his own. Being Arminian (not believing in once saved, always saved –> believing in free choice, not chosen), I am concerned, but we’re moving forward and I’ll keep praying. There isn’t a day I where I don’t think about it, but I end up hoping that God does have a plan and will bring other sincere Christians into my son’s path wherever he ends up going. I know it is possible. Time will tell if it happens.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, there are students who go to Christian colleges and still drop their faith. I’m not certain in those situations that they ever had a true faith as much as mom and dad making them attend a Christian college, but I do know many of my peers in secular U did have a true faith (as much as a human can tell). To this day I mourn their “loss.” Of course, there were others there who just “shared” mom and dad’s faith too…</p>
<p>No real “help” here I’m sure, but just wanted to share that you aren’t alone.</p>
<p>Many Christians go to secular colleges and come out with a stronger faith. Many Christians go to secular colleges and come out with no faith. We won’t know which category our offspring will fall into until it happens. We’ll get ours started with a Christian organization on campus, but only he will decide if he continues with it once the challenges come his way.</p>
There are few schools that actually have a significant amount of professors trying to convert students to atheism. “Secular school” doesn’t mean “atheist school,” it means “everybody school.” Of course the Christian groups are smaller, but they are often stronger, because everyone there is there because they’re going above and beyond the norm for students there. Rather than the Christian group being just all the students, it may actually be a close-knit group.</p>
<p>We all face tests to our faith, at one point or another. Faith untried is hardly faith at all.</p>
<p>How does your son feel about this? Does he prefer Christian/secular schools? Does he mind one way or the other? If he isn’t worried, I don’t think you should be.</p>
<p>Yes, there are many influences at the secular schools. My two sons have chosen the secular route and the older one, a junior, found the way all by himself with a lot of prayer,too. He joined a small Bible study group that he and the other members have turned into an officially sponsored school organization called campus ministries. They receive support form the school student association but also from the local churches. The club seems to appeal to many students who are seeking. They have quite a diverse group both ethnically and from a religious perspective. They even have had wiccans who attend. So, pray and have your son put on the full armor of god and have faith that God has a plan for him and it may just be to let his light shine forth on a secular campus. Jesus did not stay with the Pharisees but with the tax collectors,etc.
Also, our local church, Bible based, has many "hard’ science college professors that attend so science, secular universities and God are not mutually exclusive! (At older son’s school, the faculty advisor is a retired physics prof.)</p>
<p>I have chosen to attend a secular school over a Christian school also I am excited about it!!! Both of my older siblings attended a secular college, and they came out just fine. I believe it’s what I’m supposed to do. To be a light. I hope this helps.<3 </p>
<p>“And if our God is for us then who could ever stop us , and if our God is with us then what could stand against.”</p>
<p>Remember this …so-called Christians allegedly experience a “higher” (there must be a better word, greater? no definitely not …) rate of divorce than secular couples. </p>
<p>I’m not really sure. It might be to be careful in deciding what we wish for. Better yet, pray for what God might wish for us. And it might not be “which school” or Christian vs. secular. God made it all. And all of us. Do we really think he abandons those who go to State or the local community college? Our boxes are small, our faith so weak, our listening for His call so poor, our willingness to obey so resistant.</p>
<p>Something your son could also do is look for a pastor or Christian group in the college he is looking at! Just look at the clubs and organizations in that school. He could connect with others that way before he even steps on the campus Just really pray about it and you both will feel at peace where he should be It works, I promise. <3</p>
<p>I faced this issue with my sons in high school. I had looked at Christian high schools for older S and discovered that in order to get the math and science courses he needed for engineering, he needed to be in public school. </p>
<p>Just trust that your son has been given a talent he needs to use. If he also finds he wants to study deeper theology, he can pursue that later.</p>
<p>God gave him those gifts. You honor God by letting Him lead your son to where he can best develop and use them.</p>
<p>IMO one disadvantage of Christian schools is that they keep kids isolated from the world which they’re going to live in as adults. They don’t have the chance to test and grow their faith, to be strengthened by challenges. A secular school will give him a chance to practice being “in the world but not of the world.” </p>
<p>God’s plan for your son is greater even than your own. It may be that God is even now laying the groundwork for an encounter at the secular college which will change someone’s life eternally. Or He may be placing your son on a path that will spark a renewed interest in faith in a secular college. Or years from now, when your son is settled into his career, he may be able to carry Christ’s light into corners of the world of science that are now dark. That is the highest calling a Christian can have! (And none of it is inconsistent with having a successful, satisfying career.) If his faith is strong, he won’t be influenced by people around him – he will be the one doing the influencing. :)</p>
<p>When my D was applying, my prayer was simply that God would make it clear to us where He wanted her to be, and that’s exactly what happened. He slammed shut all the doors but one, but boy! He didn’t just open that one door, he flung it WIDE open. </p>
<p>Finally, something I have posted on my bulletin board at work:
“God saves His best for those who leave the choice to Him.”</p>
<p>Thanks for your post. I became a Christian on a secular campus when I was 20. I wouldn’t wish my path for anyone but God does indeed reach out in all places at all times to those who are in need of a Savior.</p>
<p>May He work through our “cracked pot” kids (and parents) to bring glory to Himself and many sons to glory wherever that may be.</p>
<p>LasMa does point out the best point. God makes our children to be what he wants them to be. If he made your son to exceed at Math and Physics, he will be more than faithful to guide him into using those gifts.</p>
<p>I would like to point out another tidbit for thought, though. Think of King David and his “education” as a Shepherd. I think very few people would see that education sufficient for being the King of a Nation, but David learned the skills he would need in his career in an unusual way.</p>
<p>I realize he will have a hard time using those skills without precise training, but as you already know, just let God point the way. God’s word tells us he knows the plans that he has for us. If he knows his plans, and if we are faithful to listen to His Spirit in us, then whether we follow the best path or the most out of the way path, he will bless our faithfulness and complete the Good work He starts in us.</p>
<p>As a matter of honesty, I work as a recruiter for a Baptist College, so I personally would love to see God train more of his scholars and scientists at Christian colleges. However, I also know Paul did not study under “Christian” teachers, and God still turned him into the great evangelist he was.</p>
<p>LasMa makes her case nicely. Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Tim contends that God makes us what He wants. Not sure I concur with that theology, as it’s only part of the message of His promise.</p>
<p>Paul says it biblically. God knows his people in advance, and causes all things to work together for good for those who love Him and are called to his purpose for them. </p>
<p>I’m not sure I can find anyplace that it says God calls students to secular or sectarian colleges. Rather, what I think that says is that wherever we may be, when our hearts are right, God will use us and our circumstances. </p>
<p>So I’m not sure there is reason to think that He “loves” Wheaton or GCC and doesn’t Slippery Rock or Michigan State. I think he DOES love people in these places as much as he hates behaviors in all.</p>
<p>I believe He will put a passion in our hearts as to where we should be. I think some of us will feel a tug towards a secular college and some of us towards a Christian college. Some won’t really be sure! I prayed lots about where I should be. I prayed for a peace…so did my mom. I do think God would bless either way though! I prayed I would be where I could make a difference for just one <3 I had others pray also…that of course really helps One friend even had a dream about one of my choices! You could also pray for doors to be closed for colleges you shouldn’t go to. It hurts at first, but if you truly trust God, then you know those doors were closed for a reason :)</p>
<p>A few thoughts on this. I majored in Engineering. I always assumed I would go to a Christian college but when the time came I realized that there were very few options for me there and even less money. I ended up attending a small secular, extremely liberal engineering school. As I had 1 biology and 0 chemistry classes I didn’t really have to deal with any religion/science and how they fit topics. Most of my math/physics classes had absolutely nothing to do with faith or lack of faith so going to a secular school changed nothing.</p>
<p>The most challenging courses I took in regards to my faith were some religion courses at a nearby secular school. Those courses were taught by professors who believe they are 100% right and people who disagree with their views on the document of the Bible are stupid or bad scholars. It was a trying time.</p>
<p>That being said, many Christian students who attend secular universities stop going to church, stop reading their Bible etc because no one is making them do it. But many Christian students who go to Christian schools only do those things because they are forced and end up in more rebellion than the former. Christian students who remain faithful in secular schools have the opportunities to bring others to Christ by living with them and loving them and learning about them in a way you can’t when isolated among “Christians” at a religious school. The most important thing is for your child to find Christian community no matter what label his school has.</p>
<p>Edit: I wanted to add, I have a friend who did a Masters at a Baptist university in neuroscience. In that degree program he faced more hostility than I ever did in my secular engineering program. Even though professors at this school must be “Christians” and attend a church, the profs in his department all think intelligent design is stupid and most don’t have much of what you might recognize as faith left. So once again, how the school is labeled does not dictate the actual student experience.</p>
<p>posted this in another thread but here’s a copy of what I said about my experience at Clemson instead of at a christian college (did consider that option):</p>
<p>Just my opinion, but I believe that if you are a Christian, going to a non-religious school is the best thing that you can do. My faith has been challenged, I have been exposed to a lot more at a large public university as opposed to being seculded and sheltered in a Christian environment. Sure, there are many things that I have seen and have been tempted to partake in but I feel like I’ve definitely grown stronger in my faith since it is questioned all the time by non-Christians. I feel like this can happen at any non-religious school as long as you seek out one of the Christian ministries on campus and get close relationships with some christian friends. Besides, we are called to tell others about Jesus, not get in a close community with other Christians and just “grow spiritually”.</p>
<p>In addition, I feel that you cannot “force” someone to be a Christian. I went to a Christian private school for middle school and I know that a lot of the people who walked away from their faith after leaving the private school for a secular school. It seems that at a Christian school, you feel like you have to “walk the walk and talk the talk” to fit in and become a Christian. It’s a lot deeper than that, it’s about actually having a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ, not a checklist of things you have to do to stay in religious favor. In the end, the person alone is responsible for what she believes about Jesus.</p>
<p>Just my two cents. I know a lot of people will disagree with my point and I’m ok with that! Lives are being changed at both Christian and non-Christian colleges and in the end, that’s all that matters! No need to argue about different methods/philosophies as long as that happens.</p>
I am excited about it!!! Both of my older siblings attended a secular college, and they came out just fine.