Christmas

<p>Newport News, VA- Christmas tree was replaced with a "Tree of Illumination."</p>

<p>Denver, CO- Any mention of the word "Christmas" was prohibited from the December "Holiday Parade."</p>

<p>Those are just two examples off of the top of my head. I haven't seen a public "Christmas Tree" in years. What exactly is a "Holiday Tree" supposed to be? </p>

<p>Look at the major stores and retailers- How many of them use Christmas in their advertising? And who are they trying to appeal to? Christmas shoppers! Not very good marketing when you don't appeal to your largest customer base.</p>

<p>If any of you read the Financial Times there is a fabulous editorial about this topic. I've pasted it below if you want to read it. It gets a little off topic, but its still good and hits the point about the so called "attack on christianity" and "family values"</p>

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Seasons come and seasons go, but the mean-spiritedness of some American Christian conservatives endures. Here is a bunch of people who are never happier than when denigrating or boycotting imagined enemies.</p>

<p>You think Christmas is the season to be jolly? How naive. It is the time to attack stores such as Target and Wal-Mart that wish their customers Happy Holidays, the US phrase for Christmas, Hanukkah and the African festival Kwanzaa, instead of Happy Christmas. Bill O’Reilly, the Fox television commentator, has led the crusade on behalf of Santa Claus.</p>

<p>On the point that people should feel free to say Happy Christmas and to sing carols, I am with Mr O’Reilly. But his tactics – to hector companies that do not comply – are unpleasant. Retailers are not the only ones: many US companies are targets of Christian zealots trying to ensure that nobody tolerates what they abhor.</p>

<p>The average company gets very uncomfortable when accused of offending customers and its first instinct is to conciliate. Ford appeared to comply with the Christian right last month when it stopped advertising its Jaguar and Land Rover brands in magazines for gay people.</p>

<p>That did no good since it promptly faced an outcry from the other side: gay and lesbian groups. Ford says the whole affair was a misunderstanding but it eventually did the right thing by reinstating its advertisements and telling the American Family Association, a noisy Christian lobby group, where to get off.</p>

<p>The lesson is that companies have to fight fire with fire: they must take a moral stand when confronted by moralisers. It is no use complying with activists because it seems to be in their financial interests. Not only may someone demand the opposite, but it is an indefensible stance.</p>

<p>In Ford’s case, one group of customers had no right to tell it to cut off business with another. The next step would have been to insist that it did not sell cars to gays or adulterers. Ford’s eventual position – that it would not discriminate in this way – was ethically correct.</p>

<p>Compare this with the case of US cable television companies. Christian groups are unhappy at the lack of say that cable subscribers have over the service they get. Those that opt for more than the basic service are often beamed hundreds of channels even if they only want a few (the average family tunes into only 17).</p>

<p>Christian groups say this means they cannot screen out channels with sex and violence on them, a complaint backed by Kevin Martin, head of the Federal Communications Commission. Mr Martin wants cable companies such as Comcast to give subscribers more choice, either allowing them to choose à la carte or giving them “family-friendly” channel tiers.</p>

<p>Grudgingly, the cable companies are introducing family tiers but grumble that this upsets their financial model. Small networks attract advertising because they get into many homes (even if they are hardly watched).
If cable subscribers could pick and choose, such networks might either have to demand higher subscription fees to compensate for the drop in advertising, or close down.</p>

<p>This may be true but it misses the point: the Christians are on the side of liberty. If some parents want to protect their children from unsavoury programmes, why should they be frustrated? Whatever the truth of the cable companies’ figures, they are trying to rebut an ethical argument with a financial one. It is no wonder that they are on the retreat.

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Nothing is wrong with "Happy Holidays." But nothing is wrong with "Merry Christmas" either. Taking the Christmas out of Christmas Tree and/or trying to get rid of the whole notion of a Christian holiday is insane, but sadly that is what many people are trying to do.

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<p>Well all I said was that we shouldn't go around assuming everyone celebrates Christmas. And we certainly should not reject saying, "Happy Holidays". I agree that it should be called a Christmas tree. And I dont particularlyy have a problem with it being displayyed in public. I would just like to see how it would be if the tables were turned. If a manora was displayed in a town square, etc.--how would the Christians react? Huh? Yeah think about that.</p>

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<p>"Well all I said was that we shouldn't go around assuming everyone celebrates Christmas. And we certainly should not reject saying, "Happy Holidays". I agree that it should be called a Christmas tree. And I dont particularlyy have a problem with it being displayyed in public. I would just like to see how it would be if the tables were turned. If a manora was displayed in a town square, etc.--how would the Christians react? Huh? Yeah think about that."</p>

<p>Right-we shouldn't assume that everyone celebrates Christmas. Rather we should assume that 85-95% of the American population does, because those numbers are based on numerous polls and are probably reasonably accurate. And we should act as if 85-95% of the country celebrates Christmas.</p>

<p>About the menorah- </p>

<p>That is fine as well. As a matter of fact, in Raleigh NC a Christian group erected both a manger scene and a menorah in the city center. It goes to show that we are tolerant, and as I said earlier, that most of us don't use our religion as an excuse to be an ass. </p>

<p>Same thing in countless other cities around the country. My old hometown of Watertown, NY did the same thing, and you didn't see any Christians out there protesting that there was a Menorah next to the manger scene or Christmas Tree. People have to have common sense, and anyone who gets offended over these kinds of things obviously doesn't have any!</p>

<p>thats a nice little example but yeahh i GO to a Catholic school and yeah most Christians that I've met aren;t that accepting of other religions. And they pretty much believe that Christmas is the ONLY holiday to celebrate...whatever you knoww the point is...we can disagree. I just thiink its better to say "Happy Holidays"--its not offsensive to anyone. Its a nice message. It INCLUDES everyone. iF you wanna say "Merry Christmas" thats cool too, especially to people who you knoww celebrate. I just dont think particularly the media outlets should ONLY say "Merry Christmas"...thats all.</p>

<p>that editorial was pretty sweet.</p>

<p>hahaha I'm amused at how the Christian right were the ones advocating euphemized language and censorship to begin with. what goes around comes around.</p>

<p>happy holidays, everybody.
(what if I just prefer the sound of 'happy holidays'? it sounds more snappy)</p>

<p>"thats a nice little example but yeahh i GO to a Catholic school and yeah most Christians that I've met aren;t that accepting of other religions. And they pretty much believe that Christmas is the ONLY holiday to celebrate...whatever you knoww the point is...we can disagree. I just thiink its better to say "Happy Holidays"--its not offsensive to anyone. Its a nice message. It INCLUDES everyone. iF you wanna say "Merry Christmas" thats cool too, especially to people who you knoww celebrate. I just dont think particularly the media outlets should ONLY say "Merry Christmas"...thats all."</p>

<p>Well then the Christians at your school are all pricks. I personally have never met a Christian who was offended by another religion's celebration or holiday. </p>

<p>Like I said, there is nothing wrong with Happy Holidays and there is nothing wrong with Merry Christmas. Stores shouldn't be afraid of being sued by the ACLU for saying Merry Christmas, and a Christmas tree in a city should be called what it is- a Christmas Tree.</p>

<p>Ok, stores should say "Happy Holidays", its the best way to spread good salutations to all religious(or secular) groups this time of year and leave no one out. period. and you can stop using the Christmas-turned Holiday Tree as an example, because I;ve already agreed with you that changing its name is unneccesary and silly.</p>

<p>We're just going to have to agree to disagree about the stores on this. Other than that I don't think that either of us are asking for anything unsreasonable!</p>

<p>agreeeedddd.</p>