Cigarettes legal. Weed illegal. What the heck?

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<p>The more immediate question should be why alcohol is legal when cannabis isn't. While panic attacks aren't too uncommon from pot, alcohol is definitely much more unsafe and unhealthy-- there's no such thing as a cannabis poisoning; generally speaking, you won't get sick from smoking; and there is no hangover from pot. Also, alcohol effects your driving much more, although driving high is certainly not too particularly safe.</p>

<p>Our laws are a product of our culture/"values" more than any other reason. Weed should be legal, especially if alcohol is. It's a hypocrisy.</p>

<p>But oh well... it doesn't stop most people (including myself) from smoking.</p>

<p>And that reminds me, another reason to legalize pot is to make it safer. Since the laws don't stop people from smoking, people have to buy from unregulated underground sources, which could use insecticides and other dangerous chemicals to make the plants grow more efficiently. If it were decriminalized, at least people would be smoking weed grown by safe establishments, rather than from who knows where :D</p>

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<p>because if weed was legal, it's price would drop significantly drop, which would be bad for dealers - which is basically everyone. There you have it!</p>

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Obama admitted to using cocaine in his youth. Everyone has bad things in their past they aren't proud of. It's not like he was saying, "oh yeah, I used to snort coke, no biggie". he said, "Yes, I have done some not-so-good things in my past, it was a mistake." which to me shows that he's a real person who can admit when they are wrong and show that they can change for the better.

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I Haven't. The notion that he tried it, no matter what his age shows a lack of judgment on his part. I could care less if people use drugs, like I have said before, I think hard drugs should be legal, they should sell Heroin next to twix bars. But don't tell me the people who use that crap make sound judgments. </p>

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<p>lmfao</p>

<p>Once again, the only people who hate drugs are the ones who have never used them and the ones who don't know how to use them correctly.</p>

<p>Alcohol is a drug and without a doubt one of the most dangerous ones (please don't get on your rant from high school health class). It should be banned and more moderate drugs should be brought in.</p>

<p>Drugs have been found in, I believe, every civilization known to man. You're on the wrong side of the argument if you believe drugs are wrong. If drugs are wrong, alcohol is as well.</p>

<p>Drop your relativist theory and open your damn minds.
Smug is offline<br>

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<p>Ive never even drank and I don't think they are wrong, I could care less of the folks who use them, but if you choose to you admit you have bad judgment.</p>

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<p>What if the legalization of hard drugs aversely affects your safety?</p>

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The more immediate question should be why alcohol is legal when cannabis isn't.

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<p>Alcohol kills. Marijuana doesn't. But those in power love to drink, while those in the counter-culture and underclass love to smoke marijuana. Need I say more?</p>

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What if the legalization of hard drugs aversely affects your safety?

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I dont see how it could. Govt only job is to protect people from other people not people from themselves, so if there are harsh laws, for drug addicts that commit crimes then im fine with it and thats a legitimate job of goverment. such as if somebody was high on mushrooms and then got behind the sheel and ran me over, well they should get in trouble for that. BUt not because they chose to do shrooms. </p>

<p>If ya havent noticed the war on drugs hast necessarily been effective. Im a libertarian, so I see no need for pharmacists if people want drugs, I feel they will make the best decisions for themselves.</p>

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<p>I meant wheel above not sheel.</p>

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<p>But we want to be preventative. Sure we can punish the driver on shrooms. But isn't it better if the driver never had the chance to crash you? You wouldn't be in the hospital and he wouldn't be in jail. Everyone's happy. It's always better to prevent crimes than to punish the perpetrators in case crimes happen. And thats where laws come in; they prevent crimes. Laws are an nessicary evil that annoys a few and protects many. </p>

<p>The war on drugs haven't been effective as much as we would like. But does that mean that we have to get rid of them? They could be the only thing holding drugs back from completely proliferating. Consider fast food for instance, they're legal, and yet over 30% of the US is obese; its becoming a pandemic. What about alcohol and ciggarites; they're legal, yet that didn't stop anyone from using them. In fact, more people use smoke ciggs than weed. Why? b/c ciggs are legal.</p>

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<p>CoffeeBreak=), do you enjoy your city protecting you from the evils of trans fats?</p>

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<p>Yes. 10 charc</p>

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But isn't it better if the driver never had the chance to crash you?

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<p>How did the temperance movement turn out again?</p>

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Once again, the only people who hate drugs are the ones who have never used them and the ones who don't know how to use them correctly

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I've skimmed the posts (as always) and I agree with this here - I've never done it but I'm not against it. Anything can be dangerous, and while this is stretching it, certain things that we don't think is dangerous can be more dangerous than drugs and etc.</p>

<p>Someone doing drugs doesn't exactly mean they can't make a sound judgment, they're dumb...etc. </p>

<p>I thought this was common sense, what's up with all these Anti-drugs, anti-everything dangerous sentiments here?</p>

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But we want to be preventative. Sure we can punish the driver on shrooms. But isn't it better if the driver never had the chance to crash you? You wouldn't be in the hospital and he wouldn't be in jail. Everyone's happy. It's always better to prevent crimes than to punish the perpetrators in case crimes happen. And thats where laws come in; they prevent crimes. Laws are an nessicary evil that annoys a few and protects many.</p>

<p>The war on drugs haven't been effective as much as we would like. But does that mean that we have to get rid of them? They could be the only thing holding drugs back from completely proliferating. Consider fast food for instance, they're legal, and yet over 30% of the US is obese; its becoming a pandemic. What about alcohol and ciggarites; they're legal, yet that didn't stop anyone from using them. In fact, more people use smoke ciggs than weed. Why? b/c ciggs are legal.

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<p>No I don't see it as better, because that person had to loose liberty to try and prevent something that may never happened. While were at it we can tag every human with locators, install cameras everywhere, tell people what to eat, when to exercise, when to work, when to play. Im sure you get the point. Because they are all about the same, Liberties given up for some false sense of security, its the oldest trick in the political playbook and people fall for it every time. </p>

<p>Hey why stop at drugs when we can fully control peoples lives and then prevent 100% of crime. I'm sure you would accept that also, which is what scares me. Hey People don't kill people, Guns kill people right? The person didnt make themselves fat, the food did, The person didn't cause themselves to have lung cancer, the cigarettes did right?</p>

<p>What the war on drugs hasn't done is curb drug use and slow crime, its increased it vastly. You do know we live in the Drug use and crime capital of the world, by population size. Dont forget about Alcoholism and binge drinking. </p>

<p>So back to the main point I made. I still think the liberties people have a right to are vastly more important than the protection of society.</p>

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<p>What I worry about is a Man like Steve Kubby, who for medical reasons was forced to move to Canada because the drug restrictions in America are just so harsh. He couldn't get the treatment for his cancer that he needed. Why not, due to your war on drugs, he lived in pain. and hes not even close to the only ones.</p>

<p>Having Free markets regulate drug prices, without govt intervention would provide the best product for the absolute best price for the patient or consumer without all the corporatism and BS. Drugs and Health care are not expensive because the cooperation's are greedy, its because of cronism and govt regulation. The media and the politicians of the world, would love to have you think differently though.</p>

<p>Some Virginia Law
States</a> Make Health Care More Expensive, Matthews Claims</p>

<p>Maybe some Duke
Is</a> Execessive Health Care Regulation Hurting Uninsured?
Cost</a> of Health Services Regulation</p>

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<p>thats a bit too extreme. I'm not interested in a slippery slope argument b/c those aren't even my intentions. I'm only talking about drugs here. Plus, by tagging locators and all the things that you mentioned, we'd lose too much liberties. The costs are too high. The only liberty people lose when drugs are banned is the right to get high; which might I add, isn't awfully great or satisfying. That is to say; there are situations where liberties should be sacrificed. That is when the cost of not giving up those liberties ensures great harm to people. And even if we we're to go by your philosophy, people's liberties would be threated if we do not enact certain laws. Because without certain laws, people would lose their lives. And I'm certain that living is one of the most important liberties that exists. That ties back to my argument with hard drugs b/c those destroy lives. </p>

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What I worry about is a Man like Steve Kubby, who for medical reasons was forced to move to Canada because the drug restrictions in America are just so harsh. He couldn't get the treatment for his cancer that he needed. Why not, due to your war on drugs, he lived in pain. and hes not even close to the only ones.

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<p>I never said that there couldn't be any exceptions. </p>

<p>I also disagree with your last premise. Again, tell me why fast food related obesity is a spreading pandemic if fast food is legal.</p>

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<p>sorry double post.</p>

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<p>I don't feel there is a difference in the circumstances above, Liberty is Liberty. </p>

<p>If people want to be fat, then they should be able to be fat. Its their choice. They CHOOSE to eat the Food. Nobody is forcing them to do it. Same, If people want Lung and mouth cancer, then let em smoke. If they dont then let them quit. That simple. If they don't quit then the risk of cancer cant be to much of a worry to them.</p>

<p>Ya know maybe regular Bic pens are not good enough and they are causing some people to get carpal tunnel syndrome. Should the government step in and ban Bic pens and force people to Buy the $7 Pilot Dr. Grip.</p>

<p>BTW, Liberty is freedom from Government. </p>

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I never said that there couldn't be any exceptions.

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So its ok for this man, Steve Kubby to live in pain. Because its all or none. You mentioned the only liberty people loose is the right to get high, well what about steve Kubby who doesn't use drugs to get high, he uses them to cure pain. Or the many patients with autoimmune diseases.</p>

<p>you still haven't responded to, why when govt inhibits drug use, crime and drug use go up. So I am to assume, that since crime goes up when drugs are limited, then crime will stay up or rise when drugs aren't limited? I don't think so.</p>

<p>All the evidence I have ever seen, unless you can show me differently has all shown. In a few ways.</p>

<p>-The less regulation, the less of what you expected from less regulation.
-The more regulation, the more of what you instituted regulation to prevent.</p>

<p>Simply, people know how to run their own lives best. If we assume the collective point of view(pov) as you are taking. Then we assume people cannot make the best decisions for themselves and government somehow has a Midas touch on things. But by your pow, people cant make the best decisions for themselves. But the last time I checked government was well, a bunch of people and all of those folks in govt all cant make the best decisions for themselves, since they are just people. Now Im pretty good in math, and I can tell you that a whole bunch of bad doesn't add up to a BIG Good idea. If again by your pow, all peoples are flowed to make the best decisions for themselves, how can people in government which are all also flawed make a better decision? If you haven't realized, they cant.</p>

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<p>Its also much more than that.</p>

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<p>lmfao.</p>

<p>The Government grants you freedom as well. That is if is the right government is in place.</p>

<p>Haha</p>

<p>OH MY GOODNESS! </p>

<p>Someone get this guy laid.</p>

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<p>marijuana doesn't sound very bad for you</p>