<p>hey guys if i go into LAC will i be able to major in a science course without having a science background in grade 11 and 12? international asian here</p>
<p>@miraboo Thanks</p>
<p>no, no ED or EA for me. Anyway I don't think it'd be the best idea, given that I need a lot of financial aid.</p>
<p>Valour, yeah you will be able to.</p>
<p>tetrisfan: GREATTTTTTTTTTTTt</p>
<p>Re hard data for getting students to top grad schools, here are the undergrad origins of PhD earners (posted by in another thread by interesteddad). The data is meant to show only that there is no significant difference between LACs and research universities in this regard.</p>
<p>Percentage of graduates receiving a doctorate degree
Academic field: ALL</p>
<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees:
ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database</p>
<p>Number of Undergraduates:
ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database</p>
<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period
Note: Includes all NSF doctoral degrees inc. PhD, Divinity, etc., but not M.D. or Law </p>
<p>1 35.8% California Institute of Technology<br>
2 24.7% Harvey Mudd College
3 21.1% Swarthmore College<br>
4 19.9% Reed College<br>
5 18.3% Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
6 16.8% Carleton College<br>
7 15.8% Bryn Mawr College<br>
8 15.7% Oberlin College
9 15.3% University of Chicago<br>
10 14.5% Yale University
11 14.3% Princeton University<br>
12 14.3% Harvard University<br>
13 14.1% Grinnell College<br>
14 13.8% Haverford College<br>
15 13.8% Pomona College<br>
16 13.1% Rice University
17 12.7% Williams College<br>
18 12.4% Amherst College
19 11.4% Stanford University
20 11.3% Kalamazoo College<br>
21 11.0% Wesleyan University
22 10.6% St John's College (both campus)
23 10.6% Brown University<br>
24 10.4% Wellesley College<br>
25 10.0% Earlham College
26 9.6% Beloit College<br>
27 9.5% Lawrence University
28 9.3% Macalester College<br>
29 9.0% Cornell University, All Campuses<br>
30 9.0% Bowdoin College
31 8.9% Mount Holyoke College<br>
32 8.9% Smith College<br>
33 8.8% Vassar College<br>
34 8.7% Case Western Reserve University
35 8.7% Johns Hopkins University<br>
36 8.7% St Olaf College
37 8.7% Hendrix College
38 8.6% Hampshire College<br>
39 8.5% Trinity University<br>
40 8.5% Knox College<br>
41 8.5% Duke University
42 8.4% Occidental College<br>
43 8.3% University of Rochester
44 8.3% College of Wooster<br>
45 8.3% Barnard College
46 8.2% Bennington College<br>
47 8.1% Columbia University in the City of New York
48 8.0% Whitman College
49 7.9% University of California-Berkeley<br>
50 7.9% College of William and Mary
51 7.8% Carnegie Mellon University<br>
52 7.8% New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology<br>
53 7.7% Brandeis University
54 7.6% Dartmouth College<br>
55 7.5% Wabash College<br>
56 7.5% Bates College<br>
57 7.5% Davidson College<br>
58 7.2% Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute<br>
59 7.2% Franklin and Marshall College<br>
60 7.1% Fisk University
61 7.1% Wheaton College (Wheaton, IL)<br>
62 6.8% University of California-San Francisco<br>
63 6.8% Allegheny College<br>
64 6.6% Furman University<br>
65 6.5% University of Pennsylvania<br>
66 6.5% Washington University<br>
67 6.5% Bard College<br>
68 6.4% Northwestern Univ<br>
69 6.4% Rhodes College<br>
70 6.3% Agnes Scott College
71 6.3% Spelman College
72 6.2% Antioch University, All Campuses<br>
73 6.2% Kenyon College<br>
74 6.2% University of Dallas<br>
75 6.1% Ripon College<br>
76 6.1% Colorado College<br>
77 6.1% Bethel College (North Newton, KS)<br>
78 6.0% Hamilton College<br>
79 6.0% Goshen College<br>
80 6.0% Middlebury College<br>
81 6.0% Erskine College
82 5.9% University of the South
83 5.8% University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
84 5.8% Drew University
85 5.8% Wake Forest University<br>
86 5.8% Tougaloo College<br>
87 5.8% Goucher College
88 5.7% Chatham College
89 5.7% Cooper Union<br>
90 5.7% Alfred University, Main Campus<br>
91 5.7% Tufts University<br>
92 5.6% University of California-Santa Cruz
93 5.6% Colgate University<br>
94 5.5% Colby College<br>
95 5.4% Bucknell University
96 5.4% Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
97 5.4% Concordia Teachers College<br>
98 5.4% University of Virginia, Main Campus
99 5.3% Sarah Lawrence College<br>
100 5.3% Southwestern University</p>
<p>i would only apply ED if USC offered it... but they dont :(</p>
<p>What, they don't?</p>
<p>Then I suggest that you give EA a shot</p>
<p>Why apply ED anyway. ED is not a good choice for internationals and it DOES NOT increase your chances of getting in.</p>
<p>Hello-
I am a class of 2014 from India.
Since i can't find any class of 2014 here -i am posting here.</p>
<p>w00t, I'm class of 2014 from India as well. Where are you from?</p>
<p>@S33D: I beg to differ. ED does increase your chances of getting in. I would not apply ED only if I needed a huge amount of aid.</p>
<p>Hey hi,
I am from north India... since i am not to keen on mentioning my city on a public board.</p>
<p>Also is there a list somewhere here of colleges that might give full aid to an international student?</p>
<p>You'll have to do a lot of searching around. It'll be scattered all over. But how are you stats? Board marks, school marks (class rank), SAT score (if you've taken it), extracurriculars...</p>
<p>
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ED does increase your chances of getting in.
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Not really.
(Only at a few schools)</p>
<p>@ S33D: why isn't ED a good choice for internationals?</p>
<p>I think it only increases your chances if you are already a competitive applicant. I mean, if they wouldn't admit you under RD, they wouldn't admit you under ED just because you applied ED, would they?</p>
<p>I am probably going to appy to Vassar for ED because Vassar's English department is really cool, and I plan to study Literature. I am not applying there ED to increase my chances, but because it really is my first choice. But I also need a lot of aid. Will applying ED decrease my chances? I have heard that very few deferred students get in...</p>
<p>tetris-</p>
<p>I got 96% in my boards this year (CBSE). I haven't taken the sat yet- but have started practicing and stuff from the blue book and do vocab and stuff.</p>
<p>My main extra curricular are my athletics- i have been my school's champion for the past 4 years and won the under 15 high jump medal in the all India inter school meet of my school- i know that isn't like a national award - but there were news paper articles and stuff. I have also participated in a lot of district and state level athletics meet and some CBSE swimming meets where i won a bronze. </p>
<p>But the problem is i need full aid. I am thinking of a BS in a LAC right now.</p>
<p>@tetris: Can you show me which schools specifically state that if you apply ED you will have a higher chance of getting in? </p>
<p>Don't confuse the higher acceptance rate in ED applications to mean a higher chance of getting in. ED has less students with better grades and higher test scores than regular applicants, so obviously a higher proportion of them get in, whereas the regular decision pool contains loads of more "long shot" students, lowering the RD acceptance rate. The standards applied to early and regular applicants are identical, in fact ED applicants are probably judged more harshly.</p>
<p>@miraboo: If you don't want aid and are sure of where you want to go, go ahead and apply under ED. If not, I cant bother typing "why not" yet again, so just search the forum and read. Most ppl that apply ED are rich american kids with great stats.</p>
<p>
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Can you show me which schools specifically state that if you apply ED you will have a higher chance of getting in?
[/quote]
Penn! (Yeah, I'm not tetris I know :D)</p>
<p>But S33D is right, athletes, legacies, developement admits, etc. usually apply ED, which is why the acceptance rates tend to be a bit higher and the median SAT score a bit lower (although, usually not more than 10-20 points) for ED.</p>
<p>Cornell, JHU too.</p>
<p>They don't mean it in the way most people think they do. If you won't get in RD, you won't get in ED. They judge by the same standards.</p>