<p>I went to the MIT site to garner the stats on the class of 2011 and what did I see? Nothing! The talkative MIT admission bloggers are invisible. Check out how talkative they normally are around this time of year. In fact, how early on did they know what was happening? Also try to check out the blog archive of Marilee Jones:
<a href="http://tim.mitblogs.com/archives/2005/12/post-early-acti.html%5B/url%5D">http://tim.mitblogs.com/archives/2005/12/post-early-acti.html</a>
and you will get a big 404 - not found. I guess it isn't only in communist countries that history has been obliterated for the good of the masses.
Maybe MIT should revisit having an honor code. Perhaps another yearlong discussion like that held in the 90's is necessary to reaffirm the understanding among students, faculty, and staff about the importance of academic integrity or the students will be back to ignoring "the possibility that misconduct could affect their professional lives", and thinking "the only problem with cheating was getting caught ". (See the Tech Online Jan. 31.1992 <a href="http://www-tech.mit.edu/V111/N61/cheating.00n.html%5B/url%5D">http://www-tech.mit.edu/V111/N61/cheating.00n.html</a> )
And what are the final MIT stats this year? Did the fraud and resignation affect yield? Even if it did, there are plenty of students on the waiting list who will step in to fill the places of those who wanted to go elsewhere after the scandal broke. A waiting list is a list of 100%-will-attend applicants which will smooth over any bad statistics. No one would know that there are some applicants who decided not to attend because of the lack of integrity.
Perhaps it would be best for the integrity of MIT to get rid of all the present admissions officers and start from scratch as no one knows how far the rot has spread.</p>
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<p>Um, that's a bit ridiculous. One person lying on their resume 20 years ago doesn't somehow affect people in admissions. What would you do with them, fire them? That's not unfair at all.</p>
<p>Ewwwwwwwwww. What nonsense.</p>
<p>Why were there no blogs for a long while before the public announcement?
Why are there no blogs now?
And if you are a typical new employee going to work for a new boss in this day and age you google the boss to find out all you can and you go back as far as you can. College applicants do this all the time if they are fortunate to know their college interviewer as do job applicants before a prospective interview.</p>
<p>l0l I agree with Ben for like the first time :o</p>
<p>As in politics it is not the crime, but the coverup that is the problem. Why the cleansing of Jones blog archive just as some admissions blogs were artfully edited last year?
The fact that newspapers have reported that MIT students do not seem to care should also be an alarm to the MIT administration that the subjects of ethics and an honor code should be topics of discussion for everyone at MIT.</p>
<p>"The fact that newspapers have reported that MIT students do not seem to care should also be an alarm to the MIT administration that the subjects of ethics and an honor code should be topics of discussion for everyone at MIT."</p>
<p>Because since they don't agree with you, they should be retaught so that they DO agree? </p>
<p>Jesus.</p>
<p>Mavere,
No, having ethics and an honor code discussion has nothing to do with being retaught to agree. I pointed out that it has been 15 years since such a discussion has been held at MIT and it has been tradition of MIT to talk about such matters, not to act as though they never happened and to erase them.</p>
<p>Token blogger chiming in here: We are hosed.</p>
<p>Hosed is MIT-speak for "really really really effing busy with schoolwork." If you check the website regularly, you'll notice that we periodically go through peaks and valleys- sometimes there's 3 posts a day, sometimes no one says anything for a week. That's just the way it is- we're not on any schedule or quota to blog a specific amount or at specific times. We do it whenever we get around to it.</p>
<p>But if you really think that the "rot" as you call it has seeped all the way to the undergrads in the admissions office...well...you're insane.</p>
<p>While it was replaced with the</a> current text later on April 26th, Ben's initial posting on the blogs said something along the lines that they were all shocked and stunned and had closed the blogs and comments for the time being. I'm sure he didn't want the blogs to become a de facto discussion site for debate about Marilee Jones. (See the currently over 1250 posts on this subject on the Parents Forum here.) When Stu posted and the comments and blogs were re-opened, it was, as Laura notes, right at the end of semester when everyone is hosed. I think everyone will agree that the timing on all of this was less than ideal, although there couldn't ever be anything "ideal" about this incident.</p>
<p>The MIT admissions staff is filled with professional, capable, caring, and dedicated people. Your assertion about rot is uncalled for, and smears a staff of remarkable people, including the undergrads who work for them.</p>
<p>I <3 MIT bloggers.</p>
<p>(Addendum: final stats for Class of '11 aren't available yet. They aren't typically available until the July time-frame when any waitlist decisions have been made and the final composition of the incoming class is clear. Usually the Common Data Set isn't available until closer to the fall. There's no attempt to dissemble or obscure. Have you found Class of '11 stats for all those other top schools on their websites already? No, I didn't think so.)</p>
<p>Bloggers are people too :P</p>
<p>y'know</p>
<p>Also- the lack of posts before the announcement is just a coincidence, explained by the normal highs and lows of blogging traffic. One of MIT's deans sent an email message to the MIT community a couple of hours before they formally announced Marilee's resignation, and that was the first I heard of it.</p>
<p>And by the way, go check the site now. There have been three posts since the site re-opened. "Invisible" indeed.</p>
<p>Now, by the way, can we do something entirely unprecedented and not feed the original nonsense post until it explodes into a 20-year thread?</p>
<p>I bet we can't, but it would sure be fun to try.</p>
<p>Interesting that all four of MuddMom's posts are in this thread (at the time of this post). Agenda, anyone?</p>
<p>Thanks mootmom - you said everything I would have.</p>
<p>And Ben G. - LOL @ post#13. :-)</p>
<p>I also second what mootmom said. What rubbish by the OP.</p>
<p>Thus the screen name- she slings mud</p>