@collegemomjam I totally agree with you about Georgetown. It could have easily increased the size of its application pool significantly by adopting Common App.
@hzhao2004 yup, they really do it their own way. Good for them!
It is interesting that even at highly selective schools like Georgetown yield is the 40% range. and even the Ivies, once you get into the RD round usually have yields in the 50% range. Imagine the situation at colleges lower in the ranking pecking order. Enrollment management must be so challenging!! If 70% of the kids you give offers to, are likely to turn you down, it makes it very difficult to build a well rounded class
Info on Barnard https://columbiaspectator.com/news/2017/03/24/barnard-accepts-under-15-percent-of-applicants-for-class-of-2021/
Sorry, I must have cut-and-paste the wrong list. Adding back in Barnard and Wake Forest.
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Barnard 1139 out of 7716 (14.8%)
Georgetown RD ~3,219 out of 21,459 (15%)(Yield,1600=38.6%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
UCLA RD (IS/OOS) ~20,400 out of 102,000 (~20%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
UVA RD (OOS) 2342 out of 10,897 (21.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
UVA RD (IS/OOS) 4043 out of 16,361 (24.7%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Wake Forest RD ~2750 out of 11,000 (~25%)(Yield,1350=38.6%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Trinity College RD 1691 out of 5655 (30.0%)
UVA RD (IS) 1701 out of 5664 (30.0%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Wake Forest ED1/ED2 ~750 out of 2000 (~37.5%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Macalester ED1/ED2/RD ~2301 out of 5901 (~39.0%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED1/ED2 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
Some stats from Colby, but not enough to calculate an acceptance rate.https://www.colby.edu/news/2017/03/01/applications-to-colby-surge-for-third-straight-year/
@sprayurpets sorry if this is a redundant question, but do you think there is an overall uptick in waitlists at the more competitive schools? Is it part of the “yield” game?? I just seem to be hearing about so many more waitlists than usual, but it might be a coincidence.
I don’t know the answer so far because most schools have not disclosed their waitlist numbers. I’m not convinced that use of a waitlist is impactful to yield. It takes dozens of waitlist admits to affect yield by even 1% so it’s a little farfetched to me that a school would manipulate the waitlist for this purpose. I think it’s more used as a tactic by schools to soften the impact of a rejection by making it a waitlist instead. Also, I think this year might be a bit anomalous for the top schools because Yale is increasing their enrollment significantly. Those 300-400 extra students that Yale accepts this year will have a disproportionate impact on the other Ivies, and Duke, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore etc. that have a lot of overlap with Yale. The schools have to prepare for that so they might make more use of the waitlist this year.
USC - accepted 8940 from 56000 applicants for a 16% admit rate.
@collegemomjam One of my children was a perfect case study in this. She had very good grades and scores, and ended up being accepted to five or six highly competitive schools and then waitlisted by five schools (MIT, WUSTL, Harvard, Amherst, Duke). She was rejected by only one school out of the dozen she applied to. She had some legacy and other connections to 3 of the waitlist schools, so I think they were reluctant to outright reject her. WUSTL was the one that arguably used yield tactics because they thought they were unlikely to get her if they accepted her. Even before my D had received her WL notice, WUSTL admissions had called her college counselor and told him that she would be accepted off the WL if she wanted to attend.
Interesting, I’ve heard of that happening before at a private school nearby, but not at our public school.
The reason I am asking is actually because of what I have seen at Wake Forest. It seems like they waitlist a lot of kids that should get in (based on stats alone). I do some college advising and I watch the threads and I’m really confused by some of their results. They might really be relying on essays, which is totally fine and their prerogative…it’s just hard to make sense of some of their results. I know they are test optional and make it clear they truly don’t weigh scores that much, but I have seen quite a few kids waitlisted with great GPA’s, scores, and demonstrated interest…as in being to campus multiple times, interviewed, etc. (Maybe they bombed the interview??). Anyway, Wake was actually the impetus behind me asking you what you thought about the use of the wait list. Thanks for the help and for all of your updates. I find it all very interesting.
@spayurpets, can you share which schools DD was accepted at as I have twin DD’s that had similar outcomes, albeit with some denials mixed in.
Higher yield=lower admit rate
I was just looking up MIT’s stats from the year my son was accepted, 2012. MIT admitted 1620 students. This year, they accepted 1438 students. I’m guessing they are admitting fewer because their yield rate is going up (for many reasons).
@Chembiodad I’d rather not go into her acceptances in detail but she is attending an Ivy League school. There really was no discernible rhyme or reason for why some schools accepted her and others waitlisted her so I don’t think it helps any other parent apply a logic to their children’s individual situation.
@spayurpets, understand. We are hoping for some more good news next Thursday.
As @michwannabe said, USC is out:
https://news.usc.edu/96445/usc-invites-8920-intelligent-diverse-newcomers-to-join-the-trojan-family/
Adding USC:
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Barnard 1139 out of 7716 (14.8%)
Georgetown RD ~3,219 out of 21,459 (15%)(Yield,1600=38.6%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
USC RD 8920 out of 54,100 (16.5%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
UCLA RD (IS/OOS) ~20,400 out of 102,000 (~20%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
UVA RD (OOS) 2342 out of 10,897 (21.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
UVA RD (IS/OOS) 4043 out of 16,361 (24.7%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Wake Forest RD ~2750 out of 11,000 (~25%)(Yield,1350=38.6%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Trinity College RD 1691 out of 5655 (30.0%)
UVA RD (IS) 1701 out of 5664 (30.0%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Wake Forest ED1/ED2 ~750 out of 2000 (~37.5%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Macalester ED1/ED2/RD ~2301 out of 5901 (~39.0%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED1/ED2 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
Huh, I didn’t even realize Yale was admitting a substantially larger student body this year. That is going to have a considerable effect on small LACs since an additional 50-100 students getting cross-admitted to Yale this year compared to previous years could mean losing almost 40-75 students in a class, which could be a good chunk of first year class at some of these schools. Parchment suggests that between these deciding between LACs/Top Privates and Yale, the percent choosing Yale is 70% or higher at all the top 10 LACs and top 10 universities/all other Ivies, excluding Caltech, Claremont McKenna, and Penn (not surprising given how specialized or pre-professional they are), as well as Harvard/Stanford/MIT (which have the highest yields of any elite school). Yale supposedly only loses in cross-admits to the last 3, and not to a huge degree.
It’s going to be really interesting to see what happens with waitlists and yields thanks to Yale.
Here is Haverford: https://www.haverford.edu/admission/haverford-admits-class-2021
19.4% admit rate.
Haverford:
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Barnard 1139 out of 7716 (14.8%)
Georgetown RD ~3,219 out of 21,459 (15%)(Yield,1600=38.6%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
USC RD 8920 out of 54,100 (16.5%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
Haverford ED/RD 859 out of 4424 (19.4%)
UCLA RD (IS/OOS) ~20,400 out of 102,000 (~20%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
UVA RD (OOS) 2342 out of 10,897 (21.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
UVA RD (IS/OOS) 4043 out of 16,361 (24.7%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Wake Forest RD ~2750 out of 11,000 (~25%)(Yield,1350=38.6%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Trinity College RD 1691 out of 5655 (30.0%)
UVA RD (IS) 1701 out of 5664 (30.0%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Wake Forest ED1/ED2 ~750 out of 2000 (~37.5%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Macalester ED1/ED2/RD ~2301 out of 5901 (~39.0%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED1/ED2 315 out of 443 (71.1%)