@DeepBlue86 Why is it ok for Harvard and Princeton to change their policy to protect their interests but not ok for other schools like Pemn, Duke, Northeastern etc? Every school wants to protect it’s interests. HYPS don’t do simple EA because they will get their clocks cleaned by the ED schools if they did. They could, but they don’t. Why? Because they want to protect their interests even if it hurts applicants. They don’t do ED because they have already put enough restriction on their EA to effectively make it an ED program but with a sightly softer edge PR wise. They are no better than the other schools.
There are no saints or devils in this game. That’s all I an saying. Singling out one school for shaming while ignoring others is just not being fair. I see that often HYPS get a pass on their admission processes while other schools get rained upon. I personally find SCEA very troubling but recognize that these schools are just playing the game based on the hand they have just as students are. Its a sad mess all around
@denydenzig I agree… the biggest abusers of gaming yield have been HYP imo.
schools like U of Chicago are taking it a step further… good for them.
I don’t think you can be sure of your statement about relative EA advantage, @sbballer. Harvard had a 5.2% overall acceptance rate; Stanford’s was 4.6%. It’s entirely possible that Stanford’s SCEA/RD admit ratio was higher than Harvard’s; we don’t have the information to rule it out. They certainly seem to have been in the same ballpark.
As for the statement that “the biggest abusers of gaming yield have been HYP”, I don’t even know what to say, except to suggest that you read some threads with comments from people who are old enough to remember how we got here since the ED game began in the 1980s.
Interesting discussion, but it is off topic. Respectfully, thread is supposed to be for admission stats for Class of 2021, not ED/EA/SCEA policies of the most elite universities. It’s wandered a bit.
it’s possible… but highly unlikely.
as I said it’s from last year’s stats and I doubt Stanford’s SECA/RD ratio changed that much and Stanford has never come close to admitting 1/2 the class EA in comparison to HYP.
btw in 2013… not that long ago… Harvard’s EA acceptance rate was 21%!!! puts their EA/RD ratio at well over 5.
obviously this EA advantage is being taking advantage of by students looking for an edge and it’s overall ratio has been going down as a result.
@TTG Thank you for gently reminding us. You are right. Let’s not hijack this thread sorry for playing my part in it
Tufts acceptance rate came out as 14.8%, up from 14.3% last year.
http://now.tufts.edu/articles/place-be-tufts-admissions-class-2021
3,128 acceptances / 21,101 applications = 14.8% overall
-~675 ED1&2 acceptances / 2,310 ED applications = 29.2% ED
2,453 RD acceptances / 18,791 RD applications = 13.1%
^ Any idea why they accepted more kids (last year 3.069) were accepted?
Thanks @mjrube94: Here are some excerpts from the Tufts article about demographics:
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Fifty-three percent of the admitted students are women; 47 percent are men. More than half (55 percent) attend a public high school.
Eleven percent are the first in their family to go to college (up from 10 percent last year), and 36 percent applied for need-based financial aid.
Similar to last year, almost 34 percent of the admitted students are domestic students of color. Accepted students are 50 percent white, 13 percent Asian-American, 9 percent Hispanic, 5 percent African-American and 6 percent listing two or more races. Eight percent of all admitted students identify as black.
The mean SAT scores on the College Board’s “new” SAT are 729 in math and 716 on evidence-based reading and writing (formerly known as the critical reading test). The mean ACT score is a 33.
I think it’s related to their new venture with the School of the Museum of Fine Arts - looks like 112 added as per the explanation below.
“She noted that this full admissions cycle included for the first time applications to the School of the Museum of Fine Arts (SMFA) at Tufts; 50 students were admitted into the B.F.A. program and 62 to the SMFA combined-degree program. The university acquired the school in July 2016.”
Adding Tufts:
Harvard RD 1118 out of 33,033 (3.4%)
Princeton RD 1120 out of 26,053 (4.3%)(waitlist,1168=4.5%, Yield,1308=69.2%)
Stanford REA/RD 2050 out of 44,073 (4.6%)
Yale RD 1401 out of 27,814 (5.0%)(Yield,1550=69.2%)
Columbia ED/RD 2185 out of 37,389 (5.8%)
Brown RD 1927 out of 29,554 (6.5%)(Deferred accepted,100=5.4%, waitlist,1000=3.4%)
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
Penn RD 2345 out of 34,266 (6.8%)(Yield,2445=66.1%)
Northwestern RD ~2408 out of 33,519 (7.2%)
Duke RD 2255 out of ~30,884 (7.3%)(58 deferred accepted=8.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Dartmouth RD 1537 out of 18,035 (8.5%)
Vanderbilt RD 2382 out of 27,841 (8.6%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Cornell RD ~4510 out of 41,654 (10.8%)(waitlist,5713=13.7%)
Bowdoin RD 719 out of ~6264 (11.5%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Tufts RD ~2453 out of 18,791 (13.1%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Colorado College ED1/ED2/EA/RD 1212 out of 8215 (14.7%)
Barnard 1139 out of 7716 (14.8%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Wesleyan ED1/ED2/RD ~1932 out 12,543 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
USC RD 8980 out of 56,000 (16.0%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgetown RD 2382 out of 13,643 (17.5%)(Yield, 1600=48.3%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
Haverford ED/RD 859 out of 4424 (19.4%)
UCLA RD (IS/OOS) ~20,400 out of 102,000 (~20%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
Wellesley ED1/ED2/RD ~1197 out of 5700 (~21%)
Emory RD 4698 out of 22,201 (21.2%)
UVA RD (OOS) 2342 out of 10,897 (21.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
UVA RD (IS/OOS) 4043 out of 16,361 (24.7%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Bowdoin ED1/ED2 244 out of ~976 (~25%)
Wake Forest RD ~2750 out of 11,000 (~25%)(Yield,1350=38.6%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Trinity College RD 1691 out of 5655 (30.0%)
UVA RD (IS) 1701 out of 5664 (30.0%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Wake Forest ED1/ED2 ~750 out of 2000 (~37.5%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Macalester ED1/ED2/RD ~2301 out of 5901 (~39.0%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED1/ED2 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
why aren’t you posting Uchicago. We already know the numbers.
“Georgetown and ND also have ®EA (so long as you don’t apply ED anywhere). Evidently, the Catholics believe in choice.”
Same for BC. So as a practical matter, it kind of works out to “you are free to choose any school, so long as it is Catholic.” : )
Although Holy Cross uses ED heavily, since it is competing more with the LACs. Surprising that BC abstains from deploying the ED weapon against GT and ND. Maybe they fear that GT and ND would ED them back in retaliation.
But MIT believes in choice the most of all. Completely unrestricted EA.
@Chrchill Only official sources are posted. Until there is an official announcement, which can be linked to a source, the numbers are not posted. So something in the Chicago maroon, or another official news source for example. Verbal confirmations are not enough, since those could be in error
@Chrchill: What numbers? We only know percentages. And it’s questionable just how reliable the percentages UChicago puts out in their press releases are. As others on CC have noted in the past, they tend to revise them later.
Ever wondered why UChicago doesn’t put out a Common Dataset?
Which just reinforces my point that those people who judge colleges by admit rate are gullible.
UCLA is listed, but there has been nothing official other than their acceptance letters which said less than 1 in 5 were accepted. Unlikely that theirs would go up 3% in a year when they got 5K more applications.
@PurpleTitan I think it is fair to wait for the official release to post here, but if publishing of CDS is a criteria, then Columbia and other schools should also not make the list.
@denydenzig: I think that would be most accurate. I’ve already stated in this thread that I don’t believe Columbia’s headline acceptance rate is comparable to any other schools’ and why.
@PurpleTitan But they do make the list 
So… once Chicago comes out with its official release, I think it would be fair to report the numbers, whatever they might be. But I agree that till then, no point in updating the list with Chicago’s data, because what someone hears in a reception cannot be considered reliable
I agree with the points being made about Chicago and that you cannot just look at acceptance rates…they seem to really be playing games. Their stats are going to make them look as competitive as the top Ivies, but in reality I think it generally speaking Chicago is easier to get in than many of the Ivies. I think they know they are a lot of people’s back up. This is just my feeling after reading all of these posts and also based on some personal stories I have heard.