Also, I encourage everyone here to contact the Department of Education and file a complaint with them regarding this fiasco. I will be doing so this afternoon. Perhaps if we all do this it may have some sort of impact.
@lakeconroemom This is the PRECISE reason why I am infuriated–the “what if”. I want to know my EXACT, TO THE DOT score that I ACTUALLY received, not some statistic-based BS from College Board.
@Aleksandr7 I hope this helps…
As regards your accusation that I don’t understand this situation, I took the SAT as did my kids and just about everyone else I know. More importantly, it would appear as if I am one of the few commenting here who does understand the structure and nature of the test.
@JustOneDad I would like to suggest that you read the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers
and then consider this:
The CB proposes to base the score for the third, “affected” section on the average of the # of mistakes from the other two sections that correspond to the category of the “affected” section (whether it’s reading or math). To base the score on such a small sample is HIGHLY unreliable. A student would have had to take hundreds (perhaps thousands) of sections in order for the CB to accurately analyze and predict the outcome of the affected section’s score.
@Aleksandr7 … I do not claim to know the answer, perhaps someone else may… but I think when filing a complaint against a business it is usually filed with the Attorney General of the State the headquarters is located. However, I could be wrong. You may want to look into that if that is an avenue you would like to pursue. Hope it all works out for you. Good luck!
To my knowledge, CB has not talked about averaging anything. They have stated that they will remove one reading and one math section. The curve will most likely be similar to a PSAT curve, as this test will now have the same number of questions in reading and math as those on the PSAT.
Hello fellow testers and parents,
We have sent the following email to the College Board (I have pasted it below) offering a different solution to the one that the CB currently proposes. Please feel free to add any additional points you would like and reach out to the College Board expressing your opinions on this matter:
"Dear College Board executives,
I am writing this letter to propose a solution that I believe will be a far better and more comprehensive approach to dealing with the issue that occurred on June 6th, 2015. The College Board’s current suggested solution for the incident is to eliminate the score of the affected section and to adjust the score based on the average number of questions missed on the two other sections. Using two sections to predict the results for the third section is against statistical rules and probability theory and cannot in any way be considered a valid estimate of the true score that the student would have received. Moreover, College Board cannot guarantee that the college admission committees will not be skeptical towards these adjusted scores and would not give preference to students who took the SAT on other dates or took the ACT instead. Finally, retaking the SAT in October is not an option for some students due to: financial considerations, admission deadlines, or conflict with SAT Subject retakes.
The first part of the proposed solution involves College Board reaching out to every testing center and proctor who hosted the SAT on Saturday, June 6th and identifying the testing centers that administered the affected section as 25 minutes instead of 20. Once those centers have been identified, the College Board can release the scores for those who completed the section in the required 20 minutes as normal (with the section’s score included), indicating somewhere on the report that the exam was not affected by the incident.
The next step would be for the College Board to conduct its adjustment for those who were affected and took the section with 25 minutes. For those students, the score report should include both the original score that the student received with 25 minutes AND the adjusted score as determined by the College Board. As before, the report should include a statement indicating the reason for score adjustment. Thus, colleges will no longer have to question whether or not: a student was affected by the incident, the student’s score is poor because of the adjustment, or the student’s score is good because of the adjustment. For students whose scores get worse after adjustments, College Board has to offer an optional, free retake on an additional testing day prior to the regular testing date in October."
What do you guys think?
Does tossing out one entire section of Mult. choice for each section now make this comparable to the exact question structure (in terms of type of question and number of questions) of the PSAT test and therefore they can use the PSAT scoring system? Just trying to get a better understanding of what the logic is on their end.
^^^ Yes, I have 6 past PSAT score reports, about 6 past released SAT exams, I looked at the distribution of types of questions, difficulty ratings, etc. Removing one section of Math one section of CR, gives a statistical equivalent score to a PSAT exam.
Thank you… @samiamy. That is interesting. I wonder why they would not just say that they are creating a PSAT structure and grading as such if that is the case? Might help ease the minds of those that took the test… or maybe not… I don’t know!
You guys would not believe this, I just called the college board and you know that experimental section that had the ACT style format? The college board is now counting that as part of our writing section! Gotta love the college board! This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I am furious!
is that the normal way they score all SAT’s… or is this new just for the June 6 SAT test takers? That is what you need to ask them and get a response. perhaps they have always included that and never told anyone?
LOL THEY HAVE SURVEYS SENT OUT ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCES… RANT MODE ACTIVATED.
I think they will be able to give fair scores ONLY to the lower end. SAT scores are skewed rightward if you look at the data, so people who score high are likely to have unreliable scores. Thanks a lot, CB.
Even if it is likened to the PSAT curve, it still eliminates two sections (which, for all we know, could have been perfect for some students) that could have otherwise helped a person’s score. It’s still unfair.
@scnc123 Everyone gets a different experimental (it can either be CR, M, or W) so this doesn’t make sense and mostly likely won’t happen.
Has CB made any public Statement since the June 8 5:30pm press release regarding any changes to how they will score the test? If it is true that they would include the experimental section (which I have no idea if that is fact or not) than I would assume they would have to disclose that to the public in a statement of scoring changes. Perhaps they have if that is true? I don’t know.
However, do accommodated SAT test takers even have that section?
@Aleksandr7 CB has NEVER said anything about averaging scores. It would be ridiculous to do so and CB knows that. This is just a baseless rumor.
They have not said anything about any scoring method, but it is assumed that it will be graded like the PSAT except with a more generous curve.
@Chrysanthemum14 Well that is exactly what the supervisor at College Board told me. Either section 8 or 9 will be considered the new experimental section and the previous experimental section (for most people, the ACT style writing) will now be counted. If you don’t believe me you can call the College Board at (866) 756-7346. I just told you exactly what they told me
Hypothetically, I take the SAT and right before the last two sections (in this sitting it is CR & M) out of nowhere I am doubled-over with appendicitis. I’m on my way to the ER and cannot finish the test. The College Board lets me know all my hard work was not in vain, the portions I did take are statistically adequate, and I will receive a score as valid as anyone else who has taken the SAT.
Has anyone heard of a similar scenario? Does the College Board have a written policy on what happens if you do not complete all the sections? It sound a little incredulous when the “fault” is mine, yet when it is theirs, almost half a million people will have the same result as my story.
@scnc123
The supervisors and managers seem to have no clue what they are saying. How many times have people on this forum called them up and reported their unreliability? here are some instances:
I’m finding them to be unreliable at this point.
@palm715 You would probably get a retake.
I called them too and they said that they’re grading the experimental section and using it as part of our scores