@gcf1a What can someone possibly gain from making a post online about a humongous company, It wasn’t even intended to hate on anyone, It was a student asking a question. How does new account warrant a fake question? Obviously I came across this in my desperation to find out and made an account to ask a question. Do I need to tell specific details about my situation because somebody decided I’m fake? No.
Because … ? Why do so many people on this site seem to think argumentation consists of little more than making an assertion and then walking away.
If the College Board really believes that adults are a security risk, then why hasn’t it banned them altogether? As was discussed at the very beginning of this thread, the adult test takers in question were not permanently blocked from taking the SAT; instead, they were simply transferred to May or, if they were already registered in May, to some later date on which they were not already registered. What are we to make of these facts? Either (1) the College Board does not believe that adult test takers pose a cheating threat but cancelled their registrations anyway or (2) the College Board does believe that adult test takers pose a cheating threat but is going to let them continue to take the test anyway.
Just FYI, for anyone who is interested, the original post by @spongybob6587 seems to be duplicated on another SAT forum, and the account at that other site has a long posting history. For that reason, I am more inclined to believe that the post is genuine.
@Jgoggs the more you try to convince people that there are no cases of cheating adult non-student test takers, the more you look unbiased and naive.
Yes, there are student cheaters. I agree with you. There are also adult non-student cheaters. Both pose a security threat. But all students can’t all be banned from taking the test. Why? Because they are STUDENTS with a valid reason for needing to take the test for its intended purpose. Adult non-students, on the other hand, are not taking the test for its intended purpose. They don’t NEED to take the test for its intended purpose, as do actual students. Therefore, they can, if they are thought to pose a security risk (due in large part to the past proven instances of Asian test prep companies hiring people - including adults - to take the SAT in the US for the sole purpose of cheating), according to the CB terms, be banned from taking the test.
The CB offered to allow adults who could prove that they were taking the test for its intended purpose to re-register for March.
I don’t care if you are unwilling to see the obvious. You don’t have to - it is very clear to anyone without your stake in this. Adult non-student test takers pose a threat to the security of the test which is likely to be recycled. The CB has responded accordingly, per their terms.
It is also clear that the CB has many other issues that need to be resolved, including ending its practice of recycling tests, if they truly want to fix things.
I acknowledge that what they did may have caused a severe inconvenience on many people., and that there was no adult outright ban in their terms. I understand how you feel. I am not a CB supporter.
However, I also see the other side of it, which you - no matter what is said - are completely blind to see.
@Jgoggs - you answered your own question in an earlier post - the reason why the CB is not banning adults from taking the May test is b/c the May test is scheduled as a disclosed test - I didn’t know what that was until you mentioned it, so thanks for raising the point in your earlier post. I looked it up. It means that the test will be released by the CB. Therefore, there is no benefit to potential cheaters to take the test and memorize its its content to distribute to clients, b/c the questions and answers will all be reported by the CB itself - and therefore not likely recycled. I am sure that it will be enlightening for the CB to see which adult non-students take the test anyway in May, and which do not. It might be a good indicator of who cheats, and who doesn’t, for their future reference.
Except that adults who were already registered for May had their March registrations transferred to June instead. In the past, at least, June has not been a “disclosed test.” It’s a pity that the reporters getting these responses from College Board representatives don’t actually know very much about the SAT; an informed person would immediately have challenged the “disclosed test” explanation.
If there are no more secrets, why does anyone want test prep?
Oh, so there ARE tricks? I thought College Board got rid of those. Are there tricks and secrets or aren’t there?
If there are, tell College Board to get rid of them. Isn’t that what was supposed to happen?
If there aren’t, what is the big deal about test prep? How can that give you any advantage?
Could you define the term “unethical tutoring,” and how it is different from “ethical tutoring”?
How about “ethical treatment of teachers” versus “unethical treatment of teachers”?
Here is the unethical treatment: making teachers work for a tiny fraction of the pay that people with their skills, qualifications, and responsibilities would get in any other profession.
Did someone in this thread say that the ACT doesn’t allow adults to take their test? Is that true?
And @2018eastorwest, just to clarify, although I have said this all before:
I do know and believe that adults are extensively involved in SAT cheating.
What I keep disputing is the role of adult test takers. Is it likely that at least one adult test taker has cheated or enabled cheating at at least one point in the past? Yes, of course it is. But is there any evidence that adult test takers are responsible for any non-trivial share of all SAT cheating? No, there really isn’t. Not one of the major cheating scandals has involved–and none of the known methods of cheating require–an adult test-taker in a test center.
This “test security” explanation for the cancellation is bunk, and the College Board’s own actions (simply reassigning the exact same adults to different dates) pretty much proves it.
I think one of the linked articles may have contained that claim, but in actual practice, it isn’t true. I know of multiple adults who have taken the ACT in the last year.
If the CB transferred the adults to June, and it is not a disclosed test, then I agree with you that the explanation is “bunk.” If that is the case, then the CB has some explaining to do. If so, I hope someone successfully calls them out on it.
In the Washington Post article, Schaeffer says that PR is the main reason CB is not allowing adults in the test room:
CB does not seem concerned about the gaping hole in test security created by the no-calculator section. How many students are going to cheat by working on no-calculator questions with their calculators, either by flipping the pages of their booklets during the calculator section, making notes, or just remembering some no-calculator questions? Or this form of cheating is ok because everyone can do it?
Look what i just received in my mail:
Dear Tester,
We are following up on your request for an exception to the new test security measure implemented to ensure that anyone taking the SAT in March is doing so for its intended purpose.
We have completed our review process and your registration has been reinstated for the March 5, 2016, SAT administration. Please remember to print your Admission Ticket before you arrive at the test center. A full test day check list is available here. Scores from the March administration will be available on May 10, 2016.
If you encounter a situation where the test center supervisor indicates you are not registered at that location, please ask the supervisor to check the online roster or call and have a representative confirm your registration on file.
If you have any additional questions please respond to this email, or contact Customer Service at (866) 704-0192 (domestic) or + 1 (703) 297-3965 (international).
For losers questioning me.
So long mates, it looks like I’ve gotta study. <3
Take that letter with you and good luck!
Thank you
Yes, print that out and take it with you, or better yet bring a phone or tablet with access to your email account. Some “test center supervisors” will simply roll their eyes if you tell them to “check the online roster.”
Sorry @jgoggs I should quote you properly:
I still don’t quite know what that means. Are you saying that being a tutor is something that people would hide? Is it embarrassing to be a tutor on CC? That seems baffling to me. (But I’m new here.) Given that probably 99% of the people here have used tutors (including me), I can’t imagine this is such a hostile environment. (And saying “I wish prepping for the SAT was less effective than it is” is not hostile towards tutors, just like saying “I wish the tax code was simpler” is not hostile towards tax accountants.)
In the context of this thread, if you’re a tutor whose registration was canceled, that seems like it might lead to biases in your opinions. No? Just like me being a parent of a kid taking the SAT on Saturday leads to (opposite) biases. There’s nothing wrong with admitting some biases!
I assume you’ve been preparing to take this test, you might have spent non-trivial time prepping, and you were probably excited / looking forward to taking it on Saturday. So getting canceled will quite understandably make you very upset. Trying to claim that you being upset has nothing to do with this thread is disingenuous at best. (And I don’t even really know what “disingenuous” means! )
I’m not very interested in biases, @thshadow, as I’m more than capable of evaluating arguments on their own merits, without reference to the person making them.
@jgoggs Since you are a stickler for “proof,” can you offer some for your contention that testers were moved to June if already registered for May? The CB email that you posted says otherwise.
@2018eastorwest – Direct personal knowledge of someone who received the form email (i.e., the one in my original post) on Monday morning, even though he/she was already registered for the May SAT. On Monday afternoon, he or she received a second email entitled “SAT Change Confirmation.” This one was personal–it was addressed to the test taker by name and included personal registration information. I’ll quote the part that does not contain any personal information:
This email makes it sound as if the test taker had requested the changes (“your changes to your SAT registration…”), but in fact the changes were made entirely on the College Board’s own initiative, without any action being taken by the test taker.