College Football Discussion 08

<p>I don't see why a playoff system is bad. If anything, we can have other teams play in all the bowls, and the top 16 or 8 or whatever go to the playoff. I don't see why they don't implement a playoff system. I guess lots of money involved in the bowl games. </p>

<p>But before the BCS Championship Game, I have to point out that both Florida and Oklahoma deserve to be in this game. Tim Tebow is a great man. He has 3.77 GPA at Florida. He has lots of faith and if you look at the black lines below his eyes, it reads Phil 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengthenth me. That is awesome, how many football guys can do that.</p>

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It was the Big-12 who chose to ignore the head-to-head and ask the BCS for its opinion.

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<p>They didn't "ignore" head-to-head. It was a three-way tie with Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma. Texas beat Oklahoma. Texas Tech beat Texas. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech. </p>

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"most deserving teams" = "most teams that are deserving" not "teams that are most deserving"

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<p>Sorry... read it wrong..</p>

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What team was that?

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<p>ARMY--- 1944, 1945, 1946</p>

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They didn't "ignore" head-to-head. It was a three-way tie with Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma. Texas beat Oklahoma. Texas Tech beat Texas. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech.

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<p>Well, you know what I mean. It's what the sportswriters and Texas fans have been whining about for a month now. (and why there's even the remote possibility of an AP title for Texas)</p>

<p>Not that I believe that Texas deserves the title, but the big-12 needs to fix their conference championship so it's not decided on "style points"...</p>

<p>(and apparently "style points" == who can run up the score the most...)</p>

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<p>No joke. What happened to sportsmanship? We teach our kids that running up the score is bad, that winning with class and losing with dignity is the right way. Then they turn on college sports to see these lopsided scores, with the starting lineup in until the final whistle. CLASSLESS!!!</p>

<p>I agree with you that it's messed up. Probably the best way to solve the problem is to re-align the conference. On one side, you had three 1-loss teams that could be given consideration for being in the National Championship (not saying they deserved it, but were in the running) and on the other side the champion had 3 losses in conference play.</p>

<p>It won't happen but here's how I'd break it up...</p>

<p>Texas
Baylor
Colorado
Texas A&M
Oklahoma State
Kansas State</p>

<p>Missouri
Oklahoma
Iowa State
Texas Tech
Kansas
Nebraska</p>

<p>Keep the Texas-Oklahoma rivalry intact as they always play each other like they do now. The Missouri-Kansas rivalry is still there in regular conference play. Sure it makes it a little less geographically designed, but still doesn't completely destroy the geographic layout.</p>

<p>Maybe that would have helped this year, but conference strength goes up and down and it's hard to predict. It's only a matter of time before the big-12 north wins the conference championship.</p>

<p>That's true, anything can happen, but it would make sense at least to split up Texas and Oklahoma. They are historically two of the biggest programs in the country with top recruiting classes year after year. To have them in the same division, with the college bowl system set up like it is, with the conference champion automatically in a BCS bowl, one of them will be left out in the cold every year.</p>

<p>Maybe, but they would play each year anyways, even if they were in different divisions. The only benefit I see is that they would have rematched in the Big-12 championship game.</p>

<p>I'm generally opposed to rematches, if avoidable. The season is short enough as it is, with no playoff. It's the mechanics of the game. If you lose, you don't have a chance to go back and do it over. If you have the special opportunity to play a 13th game between the regular season and the post-season, if we can't have a playoff or plus-one, it should be a game that gives us more information about how good each team is.</p>

<p>And different divisions cause problems, also. Witness last year. LSU (10-2) never played Georgia (10-2), either in the regular season, or for the SEC championship, instead, LSU played a team not in contention for the national championship (Tennessee, 9-3) because Tennessee won the east over Georgia.</p>

<p>Plus, it's not like Texas totally got left out in the cold. They still got an at-large BCS berth, and the big-12 usually gets an at-large team in addition to it's champ. The conference championship was really for the national title game this year (besides bragging rights)</p>

<p>Last thoughts anyone? I'm still picking Florida to win but I would really like to see Sam Bradford do well, he seems like a really nice kid.</p>

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I agree with you that it's messed up. Probably the best way to solve the problem is to re-align the conference. On one side, you had three 1-loss teams that could be given consideration for being in the National Championship (not saying they deserved it, but were in the running) and on the other side the champion had 3 losses in conference play.</p>

<p>It won't happen but here's how I'd break it up...</p>

<p>Texas
Baylor
Colorado
Texas A&M
Oklahoma State
Kansas State</p>

<p>Missouri
Oklahoma
Iowa State
Texas Tech
Kansas
Nebraska</p>

<p>Keep the Texas-Oklahoma rivalry intact as they always play each other like they do now. The Missouri-Kansas rivalry is still there in regular conference play. Sure it makes it a little less geographically designed, but still doesn't completely destroy the geographic layout.

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<p>Your plan won't work because things change every year. Baylor might be the best team in the conference in 5 years or missouri will suck next year, who knows? Then we have to change the order again? What year do we know is right?</p>

<p>There is a better chance of me being struck by lightning than the chance of Baylor becoming the best team in the conference in 5 years. </p>

<p>It takes good recruiting classes, year after year to build a great program. Baylor may get a jewel in the rough every now and then, but they aren't going to be able to field a team of top recruits when there are too many options for them nationwide. Texas kids play everywhere, and a 5 star recruit would either have to be a raging Baptist to choose Baylor over say USC, Texas or OU, or a raging lunatic ;)</p>

<p>Congrats Florida, BCS and AP national champions!</p>

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  1. Florida (48) 13-1 1,606
  2. Utah (16) 13-0 1,519
  3. USC (1) 12-1 1,481
  4. Texas 12-1 1,478
  5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,391
  6. Alabama 12-2 1,264
  7. TCU 11-2 1,193
  8. Penn State 11-2 1,153
  9. Ohio State 10-3 1,013
    1. Oregon 10-3 997
    2. Boise State 12-1 938
    3. Texas Tech 11-2 916
    4. Georgia 10-3 903
    5. Mississippi 9-4 857
    6. Virginia Tech 10-4 713
    7. Oklahoma State 9-4 534
    8. Cincinnati 11-3 506
    9. Oregon State 9-4 467
    10. Missouri 10-4 435
    11. Iowa 9-4 317
    12. Florida State 9-4 246
    13. Georgia Tech 9-4 223
    14. West Virginia 9-4 144
    15. Michigan State 9-4 138
    16. Brigham Young 10-3 137

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<p>AP Top 25 by conference affiliation:

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SEC: 4
Big-12: 5
WAC: 1
MWC: 3
Pac-10: 3
ACC: 3
Big-10: 4
Big-East: 2

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<p>Bowl record:

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Pac-10: 5-0
SEC: 6-2
Big East: 4-2
Conference USA: 4-2
MWC: 3-2
Big-12: 4-3
Sun: 1-1
ACC: 4-6
WAC: 1-4
Big 10: 1-6
MAC: 0-5

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<p>A big ouch for the Big-10. To be fair, their top 3 teams did get very tough matchups (USC, Texas, Georgia) and the 4th northwestern lost in OT</p>

<p>OH MY GOD Y'ALL!! My son was on the front row in the endzone (where it was painted Florida) and EVERYTHING except the 1st Florida touchdown occurred about 15 yards from him. We could see him and his fiancee watching with hands over their faces during the Florida defensive stands, we saw them jumping up and down screaming during the Florida scores (she looks like one of those angels with her mouth wide open in singing pose haha ). </p>

<p>THEN to top off the night of his life - After the confetti fell, and the guys were celebrating, Tebow came over to the fans and the first hand he shook was my SON's!!!! It was on TV and we were able to tape it on our phones. The cool thing is our son is on his cell phone as he's reaching down to shake his hand, and he's on the phone with US!!! He called at the end of the game to share his excitement, and as Tebow was there he was yelling, "I'm shaking Tebow's hand!" as we are watching it unfold on TV.</p>

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A big ouch for the Big-10.

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<p>Even with a horrible bowl record, they still had 4 in the Top 25. That's pretty good.</p>

<p>The USA Today/Coaches poll is better.</p>

<p>I always get a little sad when the cfb season ends. A lot of the fun in the fall semester, besides the games themselves, is all the fanfare and hype and drama around who should be ranked so-and-so and who would beat so-and-so, etc. </p>

<p>It was fun keeping up with this thread throughout the season. See you all in August :P</p>

<p>Yes, I feel the same way. Basketball just doesn't do it for me like football :(</p>

<p>Glad to hear that both Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow will be back next year. I'm still hoping for a UT/UF National Championship!!</p>

<p>2009 should be a great season. Florida will probably win at least 11 games and Texas is probably the favorite for Big-12 champ (though Sam Bradford could have Oklahoma well in the running)</p>

<p>USC figures to have a strong year again, if Sanchez stays for his senior year then they return 10 of 11 starters on offense. Word around campus is that 3-time all-american safety Taylor Mays is returning, which will be essential as possibly 9 or 10 starters on defense all leave.</p>

<p>I would guess that the 09 title game will be two of the three, FL, TX, and USC.</p>

<p>Putting aside the argument of what each team did during the season - I would have to say that USC was the best team at the end of the season (when playing up to their talent level, it's pretty hard to beat USC; most top teams are 2-3 deep at most positions, USC is 4-5 deep).</p>

<p>After USC, I would put UF, PSU and OU at the next level w/ the slight edge to UF</p>