<p>Yea I know they can give advice. But you can do what you want at the end of the day. One reason why I’m leaving my school…stupid counselors don’t know what there talking about. They barely know me…don’t even look at my gpa or test scores, and tell me university of georgia is the most convenient place to go (they tell that to every non freaking out about exams stupid girl).</p>
<p>NMH posts acceptances on their school intranet. I was amazed to see 9 Ivy acceptances between three students. One was admitted to Dartmouth, Brown, UPenn, and Cambridge (not Ivy, but at least as good). Others Ivy acceptances…just surprised to see multiple acceptances per student.</p>
<p>And, yes, the school does “send” in that way. My son already has several schools in mind and his advisor is all over him trying to sway him toward a NESCAC.</p>
<p>I took my act when I was 10 for some talent search and got like a 25… my counselor told me that was good and to not take it again. God knows. She is also convinced that state university is where I will go… </p>
<p>Worst part? Pre competition debate practice, I was forced to do some career bullcrap. We even went on a field trip to the career center downtown.</p>
<p>Just catching up on CC --This is by far the best thread in months.</p>
<p>Sorry but what is NESCAC keylyme? Is that a sports conference of colleges, like Ivy?</p>
<p>Amherst, Bates, Bowdoin, Connecticut, Colby, Hamilton, Middlebury, Trinity, Tufts, Weslyan, Williams = New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC)</p>
<p>Sorry if I left any off the list.
zp</p>
<p>^^new england small college athletic conference – has amherst and williams, but also ct coll. and colby, sometimes known as the “little ivys”</p>
<p>a few words about athletics
there is a huge difference between division 1 and division III sports
there is a huge difference between division 1 ivy sports and hard core division 1 sports
for those people fixated on the ivies need to understand the Academic Index (if you don’t - look it up)
there isn’t much difference between top DIII sports and Ivy sports in many sports even in those sports you would think would be dominated by ivies (eg squash).
so if a kid wants to play sports at college they have to ask themselves not just, will it be a hook to help me get in but also what standard can I and do I want to play at? Academics come very much first for Ivies and top liberal arts schools (some exceptions)
Real DI athletics and you’re a semi-pro athlete bought and paid for.
It’s not just a matter of ‘getting in’ it’s understanding what you’ve committed to and ensuring it’s what you really want.</p>
<p>^^^^^truth.</p>
<p>My D is going to play 2 D3 sports at a small LAC. (Bragging rites: top 25 lac in country) She was recruited by a few D1 and a few D2 colleges but she chose the particular school for the accedemics. She looked at quite a few LAC’s and the first thing the coaches asked were to see an un-official transcript. They wont even waste time looking at kids who cant make the grades. Plus all coaches were very proud to tell us their average GPAs of their teams.
I will never know if D would have gotten into her college of choice w/o her “hook”, it certainly helped to have coaches write recomondations.</p>
<p>I do think kids can have both strong accademics and sports if they want w/o forgoing accademics.</p>
<p>Pardon the reiteration:</p>
<p>Div A New England Schools send quite a few of their kids on to play Division 1 and Division 1A (Ivy) sports. Unfortunately, New England Div C (ISL) schools don’t.
NE Div A schools send even more on to play sports in the NESCAC which has many more Div lll teams to offer incoming freshman.</p>
<p>HMO3: forgive my Canadian ignorance, but what is a LAC?
Thanks!</p>
<p>LAC = Liberal Arts College</p>
<p>I have mixed feelings about using matriculation data to judge a school, especially a top prep school. The top preps are so loaded with the children of the wealthy, the famous, and the well-connected, that it’d be hard for them to do really poorly at the admissions game. Does it mean they’re great schools? Not necessarily, although I do believe that they’re superb schools. It’s just that I can’t say that getting two dozen kids into Harvard means that a school is wonderful (see The Price of Admission for details.)</p>
<p>In the next few years, more graduates from the top preps will matriculate at leading colleges, simply because so many families at those schools will be able to pay full tuition.</p>
<p>I think that if a kid wants very strong academics and wants to play serious varsity sport but doesn’t want to be a bought and paid for semi-pro athlete they have 2 serious alternatives. (a) ivy (b) liberal arts college. I think that there is such a fixation about the ivies in many quarters that the LACs are often overlooked but they are very very serious candidates for student athletes. There are only so many ivies and hence only so many places for student athletes. But once you open your eyes to include the LACs there are tons more great opportunities.</p>
<p>There is still a vast difference between DI and DIII athletics. If you are a top athlete, it might be a bit of a let down to compete at a DIII (yes, even a NESCAC) school. There are many DI institutions which are also top schools…Penn State, UNC, Wake Forest, Georgetown, Notre Dame, to name a few. It doesn’t have to be Ivy or NESCAC (and sacrifice your athletic aspirations).</p>
<p>keylyme
this isn’t always true. As I tried to make clear above this depends on the schools and the sport. For example, University of Virginia is a DI tennis powerhouse. The Ivies don’t even come close. It is a totally different level of play and a totally different level of commitment. And it is certainly true that there are NO LACs in the same class as U of V. But there are certainly LACs and other DIII schools that are as good as most Ivies at tennis.<br>
In some other sports the school you would think of as a DIII school is the best in the country at their sport. Example, Trinity, which is a small school, has the longest winning record of ANY school in the country in ANY sport. 9 successive national championships in squash. So if you want to play squash at the highest level you go to Trinity (to give you some idea how good they are, the US no 1 player is 3 for Trinity)
you have to be careful generalizing.</p>
<p>Don’t you think squash might be a little bit of an anomaly? There are only about 50 colleges in the country that field varsity squash teams, nearly all of them private schools, and I have to imagine the vast majority of squash players come from prep schools and don’t need scholarships. </p>
<p>I think keylyme was just pointing out some DI schools with strong academics where you can play in major conferences against the absolute top level of competition in any sport. Besides the schools mentioned in that post, there’s UVA and Duke (ACC), UCLA, Stanford and Cal-Berkeley (PAC-10), Vanderbilt (SEC) and Michigan and Northwestern (Big Ten). Northwestern’s women’s lacrosse team wins the national championship every year. They’re like the Trinity of women’s lax.</p>
<p>peteya…good example with the squash, but I was thinking along the lines of the more popular sports. For the majority of the well-known spectator sports, what I stated holds true.</p>
<p>ok, Ill bite on this one – yes its true that Trinity has an amazing squash team. As other lacs they recruit for squash. I would guess the top players with top grades get recruited by Amherst/Williams and so on down the line. Since the nature of the sport is such that you test your skill against a similarly skillful opponent, it would not make sense for all top players to be at Trinity – they would be poorly served by competing against lesser players.</p>