<p>The issue with “intoxicated = can’t consent” laws is that they generally don’t address encounters between 2 drunk people. This is a part of a larger issue with rape cases in general - they often come down to one person’s word vs another’s. How can rape cases adequately be prosecuted without allowing for any wrongful convictions? It’s tough to say, but personally I think that if the system allows for a single false imprisonment, it is a failure.</p>
<p>i somehow don’t feel the need to justify asinine statements. people who think like u seldom change their [small] minds. oh, & i’m not a ‘bro’, bro.</p>
<p>“edit#2: I didn’t mean any of the things I’ve posted in this thread. ■■■■■ successful.”</p>
<p>or you decided you don’t like being compared to the King of Saudi Arabia and tried to play it off as a ■■■■■</p>
<p>that was u intellectually bullying?? totally missed that. try to make it a little more obvious next time…really push to get your point across. then maybe we can have a debate.</p>
<p>“■■■■■ successful.”
your ■■■■■■■■ might be successful, but your life still sucks. LOLLLL.</p>
<p>i’m hoping that guy was ■■■■■■■■, but the truth is that many sickos out there have that mentality…they use it to justify what they do, by telling themselves the woman deserves it…but ha ha, aren’t rape jokes funny lawlzzz? especially when people are sharing personal stories
hah, well i’m sure it’s more complicated than that…probably complex issues about consent and whatnot. otherwise most college students are both rapists and victims lol</p>
<p>I guess in some states it also qualifies as rape if one partner is 17 and the other is of age…here in NY I think 17 is the age of consent</p>
<p>oh my god many people on cc fit the profile of a serial killer</p>
<p>it’s future serial killer confidential</p>
<p>It’s actually really not much more complicated than that. That doesn’t mean that there is definitely going to be a CONVICTION, but in many states one CANNOT consent while under the influence of drugs or alcohol and as such having sex with an intoxicated person is grounds for being charged. That’s a good thing to be aware of while you’re in college, because yes, many students get to school and eff that up. </p>
<p>It is also a mistake that many people accused with rape make that they believe since they were drunk their actions are excusable, after all they were barely aware of what they were doing, and that is also not the case. So it is really a good idea to avoid sex with strangers while either of you are drunk altogether. Again, I am sure this also makes me a loser, but in order to protect yourself legally it is advisable to be very careful in these situations. Particularly in certain states, it is very easy to get in trouble that way. Whether or not you want to take the risk is surely up to you, but be aware of the consequences.</p>
<p>Or college kids could have morals and not sleep with someone different every weekend? Maybe they could wait until they’re in a thing called a relationship? Solves a whole bunch of problems (not the rape issue obviously, but the false accusations made from bad decisions).</p>
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<p>these 1 in 4 / 1 in 3 / 1 in 5 stats are completely bogus.</p>
<p>Think about it… do you think that many women are the victims of ANY crime? Much less a single specific crime?</p>
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<p>ZFanatic, people like us get labelled as “fags” if we do that. Because apparently the cool thing to do is sleep with drunk chicks you barely know, despite the fact that you could get accused of and legally convicted of rape.</p>
<p>Another thing that ****es me off is that at some schools (like UVA apparently), crimes like rape that occur on-campus fall under jurisdiction of the school police and not the city/county police, unless the school releases that jurisdiction to them. Being that colleges are businesses and they ultimately care about their bottom line rather than their students, they tend to try and brush away things like rape cases so that their reputation isn’t tarnished. It’s disgusting and frankly the people who institute these sorts of rules should be hanged. They are the exact antithesis of what this country should be about.</p>
<p>@Soccerguy, can I ask you something? What is your opinion on how women who falsely accuse of rape should be treated? Should they have to serve jail time? I mean, the number of false accusations pales in comparison to the number of true ones, but apparently numbers don’t matter to you.</p>
<p>My point is that even if every 1 in 50 women get raped, that’s 1 too many. As a society we should be beyond that sort of horrific behavior toward people.</p>
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<p>it’s morally wrong to have sex? who knew?</p>
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<p>Falsely accusing someone of rape should result in jail time. You can ruin someone for life.</p>
<p>I didn’t say that rape is acceptable. Rape is terrible, and those who are guilty of actual rape (drunken hook ups that the girl later regrets = not actually rape, sorry) should be in jail for a long time. I am saying, when you walk around your campus, think what “1 in 5” means. All the girls you see… do you honestly think that ONE IN FIVE of them have been raped or faced attempted rape?</p>
<p>What do you think is more common, getting your wallet stolen or getting raped? Do you think 1 in 5 people have had their wallet stolen?</p>
<p>As far as the 1 in 3 statistic - the law defines rape differently than some people would</p>
<p>for example, I don’t consider myself a rape victim at all, period. I’m lucky that i’ve never been sexually assaulted either.</p>
<p>but when I was 16, my boyfriend was 18 - technically, losing my virginity to him was “statutory rape”. and if having sex while intoxicated is rape, then most college aged women fall into this category…all those drunken hook ups would count as rape, too. I don’t believe it counts as rape simply because one or both partners was drunk. It’s rape if the person said “no” or made it clear they didn’t want to, and was physically forced or violated. </p>
<p>I agree falsely accusing someone should result in jail time. My brother knows one of the Duke lacrosse players - that kid’s reputation is ruined for life.</p>
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<p>[The</a> Campus Rape Myth by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Winter 2008](<a href=“http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html]The”>http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html)</p>
<p>I would never have been able to press charges then even if I wanted to. He could have afforded a great lawyer, came from a very influential family in our area, they likely would have made me out to look like some sort of a slut who asked for it, and he used a condom so I don’t even know if we would have been able to collect any evidence. We had been dating for four months, he could have explained away any evidence and it still would have been his word vs mine. And I would be forever labeled as the lying slut that tried to ruin the angel of the neighborhood’s life. It’s a shame, now, that my life is effectively ruined and his is not. </p>
<p>I’m definitely not saying that false accusations aren’t a serious issue, but I don’t really know how we could fix it without further criminalizing real victims. The system treats us like **** as it is. And I don’t know if I can even explain in words how emotionally damaged I am as it is. I couldn’t handle it if it were any worse. I’m not even sure if I’m handling it now and I haven’t had to deal with the legal system. It just isn’t as simple as saying people who falsely accuse should be jailed. His word vs mine goes both ways, and now I, as the victim, am discouraged from coming forward. That gives a major advantage to the perpetrator in real rape cases.</p>
<p>Cases like Twisted’s are why I’m sometimes a strong advocate of vigilante justice. Our courts seem more interested in swiftly prosecuting white collar criminals or Navy SEALs who defend our country than menaces to society.</p>
<p>edit: Soccerguy, that article fails to mention what Koss considers rape. Does she classify any sort of thing, be it two drunks having sex, a drunk girl having sex with a sober guy, a girl being violated but not in the “traditional” way (e.g. forced oral sex, forced finger stimulation) as rape? Does she classify the girl not saying ‘yes’ as rape? Does she only classify cases where there was vaginal penetration and the girl said ‘no’ as rape?</p>
<p>"it’s morally wrong to have sex? who knew? "</p>
<p>Wow you’re an idiot. I said “Maybe they could wait until they’re in a relationship.” How on Earth does that constitute “SEX IS WRONG!” I’m saying make it worthwhile, and do it in at least a semi-meaningful context…</p>
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Falsely accused “rapists” are as much victims as rape victims themselves. Falsely imprisoning somebody for a crime as serious as rape is never, in any way, acceptable, nor is a legal system that allows for it. I don’t doubt that there are times when the system is unfair to victims, but when somebody is being falsely accused of rape, they face SERIOUS odds against them. DA offices often have a “get a conviction if it’s possible” mentality. Rather than attempting to find the truth, they look at all of the evidence that’s presented and see if it is possible to get a conviction out of it. This is not something limited to rape, but false rape accusations expose this deep flaw in the judicial system in this country.</p>
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<p>I would have to qualify that statement. So many girls I know go out and get drunk and have sex, using the alcohol as their scapegoat, since they’d be whores if they just went out and slept with guys. People tend to blame all of this on guys, when it’s almost as much (if not equally) the fault of girls. You dress provocatively, and grind on a random drunk guy, you are INVITING them to hit on you. If you say yes, then you said yes. </p>
<p>Is it wrong to take advantage of a drunk girl? Without a doubt yes. And although guys are usually the instigators, people need to stop blaming it all on guys until girls learn to keep their legs closed. </p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong, if she’s coerced into doing anything she doesn’t want to, then yes that’s rape (well whatever your definition of rape is), but if she willingly goes and invites guys to hit on her and gets drunk and has sex of her own free will, then shame on her. Alcohol or not, she put herself in that situation and let things happen. </p>
<p>If you play with fire, you get burnt.</p>