College Raptor - Anyone Try It?

I just stumbled on the college search site, College Raptor. It’s a start-up company that began in January. The hook is after you put in financial aid info (income, assets, household size, etc), your preferences (major, location, campus/city size), and your academic stats, it spits out schools ranked by the estimated COA for your family. The results for my daughter are VERY interesting, but I’m not sure how much to trust the COA estimate.

Per the FAQ on the site, “much of our data comes directly from the U.S. Department of Education’s “Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System” known as IPEDS.” The estimates are “based primarily on institutional gift aid (merit aid for academic scholarships directly from the colleges or grants provided by colleges for students with financial need).” They also urge you use the colleges’ net price calculators to confirm their estimates.

So, does anyone else have experience with it? :slight_smile:

I like the idea. I just registered and entered some quick data for our D. We now have a whole NEW list of schools to investigate.

Never heard of it before. At first glance, it sounded shady but it seems like a reliable company. I found these two articles for reference: (https://www.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/blog/college-comparisons/hidden-gems-the-best-colleges-in-each-state-that-receive-fewer-than-5000-applications-per-year/)
(http://www.phillyvoice.com/haverford-college-makes-websites-list-hidden-gems/)

I found it through the “Hidden Gems” article too. It did sound a little to-good-to-be-true, but the site uncovered some expensive private universities that might be doable I hadn’t considered.

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Meaning that their estimates could be significantly off. Better would be to web-scrape the net price calculators, like https://collegeabacus.org/ does.

Hello all,

Tyler from College Raptor here. Just wanted to chime in.

First of all, thank you for checking out our platform! I hope that you find it useful and informative. We see a huge need for transparency in the college market and we are hoping to help make that possible.

As you’ve noted, our price estimates are indeed our own. But, I can tell you that we do pretty extensive testing and have hundreds of thousands or data models behind the scenes that are used to calculate costs. Of course, they are still imperfect. But, we think that having this type of system is really the only way that you can marry the idea of college discovery with net price estimates for any school.

Like your experience, almost all of our users discover new schools they had not previously considered. In many cases, families find that similar schools may have vastly different financial aid.

Anyway, thank you again for checking it out. If you have any additional questions or feedback, please feel free to contact me directly: Tyler (at) ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■.

Cheers,

Tyler Hakes

I just checked out their terms of service. You have to register to use it so they know who you are, and then ask for data on your child and your finances. I’m very careful about supplying identifying information to websites. I always change a few facts so that anyone trying to identify me will have trouble connecting the dots. But, under their terms of service it states that you represent that the data you supply is accurate, and says that they will terminate your service if you supply inaccurate data. To me this is a huge flag and I am concerned that they may be data mining. I will not use this site.

I looked at for checking on my son’s list of safeties/match/reaches and was a little surprised to see where it drew the lines. Schools with 70% acceptance rate, where he is in top 25%, were listed as near safeties – when he is considering them solid safeties – as were schools with 35% acceptance rate where he is in the middle 50% – schools he has as matches/reaches. So had me wondering a bit.

At the same time, it did identify some schools we had not really considered, so that was useful.

" Schools with 70% acceptance rate, where he is in top 25%, were listed as near safeties – when he is considering them solid safeties – as were schools with 35% acceptance rate where he is in the middle 50% – schools he has as matches/reaches. So had me wondering a bit."

The only “solid safety” is one that publishes the stats required for admission right on its website and your kid’s stats are well within that range, and one that is fully affordable for your family with nothing more than aid guaranteed by that place for your kid’s stats and/or guaranteed federal aid your kid can get by filing the FAFSA and/or aid guaranteed by your state for your kid’s stats. To believe otherwise is foolish. Any institution where human decision-making enters into the process at best can be considered very nearly safe, because there remains the chance that your kid might be the one with his/her stats to get rejected this year. Likewise if human decision-making is involved in the aid granting process, your kid might be the one whose aid package proves unaffordable.

Looking back on this thread, I couldn’t help but notice the amount of posts that the majority of the pro-College Raptor users have…

@me29034 Agreed 100% You can never be too careful.

Hello,

Tyler here again. I know that it can sometimes be scary supplying personal information to websites. But, for whatever it is worth, I will say that we do not do any sort of “data mining” or otherwise share your data without your permission.

The portion of our terms that you mentioned in your comment is a protection for us, which allows us to block any users who might be creating multiple accounts or scraping data from our site. There’s nothing nefarious happening there.

@thedidactic I may not have many posts, but I can assure you I am not affiliated with this company. As the daughter of a sophomore we are just getting started in the process, hence the 20 posts.

@happymomof1 yes, I am aware that the only guaranteed admissions school is a school with an admissions formula, we have been through this before with older son. For this younger one, he has already visited, met with coaches and professors, met with admissions counselor, at several schools where his stats place him in the top quarter, if not top 10% of admitted kids. They have already told him about the merit aid he would get, and talked about roles they see him playing on campus. While not a guarantee, I am comfortable he will be admitted to those schools.

What I was surprised by was that raptor categorized those schools similarly to schools where he is in the middle of the pack statistically (but also meeting with coaches, profs, also talking merit aid etc.) and yet categorized other schools as safeties. Perhaps it is a site which is useful in the way parchment can be --very reliable when it comes to projected admissions for large state schools with predictable numbers, but just too many “soft” factors for the small schools. I was not relying on it to categorize his list of schools appropriately, I was looking for other schools which might be similar to the ones we know to see if we could round out his list. It served that purpose.

Back to the OP - here’s my two cents worth.

Full disclosure - I’m a part time “semi-pro” admissions counselor/advisor. I have nothing to do with CollegeRaptor.

I rely pretty heavily on IPEDS data early in the process to narrow down the search space to a manageable size and come up with initial lists of safety/match/reach schools based on my clients stats, preferences, and interests. I believe that IPEDS is very useful and somewhat under appreciated - primarily because the existing web interface is not particularly user friendly. For that reason, I download the data from IPEDS to my computer and do my own analysis / comparison / searching on my own homebrewed database. I have toyed with the idea of putting up a free web site that would look pretty similar to College Raptor, but have not really progressed with this as an actual project primarily because I can’t figure out a plausible way to make it financial self-sustaining. My home brewed system works for what I need from it, so the rest is just a dream/fantasy at this point, but I am interested in College Raptor because of the close match with what I am doing and might hope to do.

With all that in mind, I spent some time fooling around on College Raptor Saturday night and Sunday - and also spent some time Googling and reading articles about the company and people involved, looking at their web stats, etc…my preliminary impressions to follow…

The first set of issues, and these habe come up in this thread a couple of times already, are “Is this site on the up and up” “Can I trust them with my data” and the like, so I might as well address that first.

This very thread could well be a guerrilla marketing effort - there is certainly every reason to be a little suspicious of the OP, but I don’t think that necessarily is a reason to set the “scam alert” meter to RED. The rapid arrival of “Tyler” and the positive posts from users with little history here rightly raise some questions, but you can’t fault a company for trying to drum up business. This isn’t a big issue, in my opinion. (Heck, I don’t have any credibility either, as a recent member, with no real history here.)

This is a for-profit venture capitalized company that isn’t doing charitable work, so that does mean you should approach it with a certain degree of wariness, especially with respect to your personal info, just as you would anywhere on the internet. I think it is a slight negative that you have to sign-up with an email before you can really take any kind of test drive on the site (and I think that probably is why their internet stats show a very high bounce rate.) Of course, nothing is stopping you from using a burner email either, so I don’t see this as a huge obstacle to safely checking out the site.

I am not a lawyer, and I haven’t combed through the user agreement on the site with a fine toothed comb, but they are at least saying the right things about the use of user data, so that’s a net positive I think. If you have privacy concerns over your personal financial information, I think that is an issue you have to decide for yourself. The risks are obviously somewhat greater with a private company than they are with the Net Price Calculator on the web site of a reputable college. You can skip the financial stuff, and the sorts of data you need to disclose to use the search features seem reasonable and not excessively intrusive.

The bigger issue for me at least is that the current strategy for monetizing the site (at least as far as I can determine from the limited articles I was able to find about the company) is to somehow extract money from the colleges themselves - the exact mechanism for how this is supposed to work is unclear. This certainly is a potential red flag, because there are obviously all sorts of way they could potential juke the search results or whatever in exchange for payments from schools. I am absolutely not saying that they are presently doing this or that this is their future strategy, but I think it is a question worth asking. I think I personally would like to see more transparency on exactly what their business plan is, and some more concrete commitments to neutrality and honesty. Obviously, for the company, this gets into all sorts of considerations about their competitive advantage and intellectual property, and I think this is probably an area that the company will need to find a delicate balance between consumers and their revenue sources.

On the positive side, my email hasn’t filled up with spam since signing up for the site, and compared to many other similar sites on the internet, their search results are somewhat refreshingly clear of for-profit scam colleges. That’s not much, but it is something.

Overall I think in terms of Privacy / User Protection / General Integrity, I would give them a (very tentative) grade of C.

Tyler would probably consider this a tough grade, and some on here will probably consider that a hopelessly naive grade, but I see no reason to not at least take a look, and use your own personal judgement as to how much you want to trust them with your private data.

Goodness, I’ve caused far more excitment than intended. We are just a middle class family who is hoping to find the best fit academically and financially for our awesome kid.

As far as College Raptor goes, the site did uncover some new schools that weren’t on my radar, but we all know there are lots of great ways to uncover the “perfect” school for our student. Finanically, I finally decided it was worth it to save all our financial info on her College Board account so we could quickly run the net price calculators on most school’s websites for the most accurate information.

Aloha! :slight_smile:

Aloha!

@palm715
Please don’t misread what I wrote about your original post as a personal attack - that was not my intent.
Personally, I was glad to made aware of CollegeRaptor because I had never heard of it before, so thanks for that.

Nick,

Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. We are happy to be transparent in our intent and our business strategy. So, let me try to address some of your questions:

  1. You're actually not required to sign up for an account before using our site. Users are welcome to "test drive" the site without an account.
  2. In terms of our revenue, we make money by selling products/services to colleges and universities, including official net price calculators (see: iwc.shoppingsheet.com). We leverage our core technology platform to help colleges with predictive modeling, financial aid allocation and other enrollment management services.
  3. We are strictly a not-pay-to-play platform. We're also acutely aware of issues regarding some schools buying their way into rankings or search results. But, as you've probably noticed from your experience, you really will not see this happen on our site. Colleges can never pay to receive special treatment in our rankings or match results.

Our team is committed to creating transparency, especially with respect to price, to help all parties–students can get a clear picture up front, colleges can better identify students who are more likely to be able to afford their school and persist to graduation. We’re working with Dr. Richard Ferguson (22-year CEO at ACT), and a number of other folks from public and private institutions to create the best platform that connects students with colleges.

As for my rapid arrival, I just have to thank Google Alerts for keeping me in the know about mentions of our site. :slight_smile:

Lastly, I just want to clarify my point on “data mining” from the previous comment. What I mean to say is that we do not disclose, share, or sell a user’s personally identifiable data without consent. Period. We do take privacy very seriously and understand the real concerns around this kind of sensitive information.

Hope that’s helpful, and again, please feel free to reach out to me if you have any other questions or feedback on our site. We’re very responsive to users and constantly trying to improve our product.