I have been mystified to find that many of the same people on college campuses who have for years held that speech is literal violence, now believe that actual violence is just free speech.
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I would think that any organization (learning, professional, or otherwise) would want to separate themselves from anyone expressing wishes of âDeath to anyoneâ.
And if they havenât spelled it out on paper, it still should come as no surprise to the adult actors that once you cross that line, youâd better accept for yourself and your own path through adult life that this is deemed absolutely unacceptable to the rest of society.
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Back to topic people. Iâm just deleting OT posts.
The reports coming from college campuses, and the response from both within and outside the colleges, make it clear why this issue has never been resolved, and never will be. Censorship is a nasty beast.
Slightly off topic:
Anyone see the three college students this morning on MSNBCâs Morning Joe show?
Three Jewish students from 3 different Ivy league schools (Yale, Brown, & Cornell) speaking about antisemitism on campus.
Morning Joe has been crusading on the matter of campus antisemitism for several shows now.
(The students did not offer any new or insightful information. Somewhat surprised at their poor to average presentation skillsâespecially the young man from Yale. But, it was nice to attach faces to the issue.)
I am curious. Do any students consider transferring at this point because of open antisemitism or even non-stop political protests? I would suspect that Juniors and Seniors will not. However, what about others?
The most impressive student I have seen was, by far, a gentleman from Columbia.
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Fabulous question for a new thread
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Not of commercial interest to the tabloids:
Arab Muslim student at Stanford was targeted in an intentional Hit-and-Run on Friday, with the driver of a Toyota 4-Runner shouting "f*** you and your peopleâ:
(That is after the October 11 stabbing of the 6 year-old Muslim boy and his mom in the Chicago suburbs, because âwhat was going on in the Middle East.â)
So with all the valid worries about hate speech and confrontational conduct, itâs important we tone down the rhetoric and make an effort to look past the wording of some headlines, to protect all innocents.
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Hereâs the article about the protest at NU this weekend. It fails to mention that the group marched directly in front of the two Jewish houses: Hundreds call for Gaza ceasefire, divestment from Israeli military at Saturday rally Evanston protesters call for Gaza ceasefire, divestment from Israel
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Yes, thatâs why I noted that while of course antisemitism is real and a terrible thing, Islamophobia is just as real and just as terrible. And while we should of course take measures to protect Jewish students from being threatened, targeted, and attacked, we must not set it up as if Jews are by default the potential victims while Muslims (and their supporters) are the perpetrators. In fact, in these fraught times, BOTH sets of students may need empathy and protection and support.
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Was it because Fountain Square and Wieboldt House are on opposite ends of the long stretch of the entire campus and those houses were along the northbound route? (I honestly donât know, just trying to understand the relevance of the note).
FWIW, I do see that there was another group with their own agenda:
A small group of protesters not affiliated with the eventâs organizers carried two flags featuring Hamas symbols. Thomas said after she asked them to move away from the main site of the demonstration multiple times, they walked away from the crowd to face Orrington Avenue.
Also not mentioned was:
One day later, the same site was used Sunday for a demonstration organized by local Jewish and Israeli communities that called for the release of the hostages held by Hamas.
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Generally the protest marches are redirected by police to Sheridan road. Theyâll allow the diversion to the presidentâs house via Central and then escort back to Sheridan. Instead they came down Orrington and crossed again on Foster.
Evanston has a lot of activists and they stopped allowing marches down Orrington years ago when we were having regular BLM demonstrations.
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To be clear, the Arab Muslim student claims to have been targetedâŠpolice are investigating.
We believe Jewish students when they say they have been targeted, and rightfully so. But we are automatically suspicious of Muslim students when they make such claims? Obviously I was not there and do not know what actually happened, but this immediate reaction of suspicion seems to me a double standard.
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Yes, almost everything discussed in this thread, including allegations/opinions by deep-pocket people, are CLAIMS. Some allegations were not found actionable by police, some lead to arrests, some are still being investigated.
However, my sense is that thereâd be much higher stakes for someone filing a factual police report, than talking to reporter or posting a video snippet.
I havenât seen any court/jury determine the proven facts regarding any of the media reporting.
(Trying to be clear. 
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If thatâs the standard, then it ought to be applied consistently?
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not from me.
Since this is college confidential we parents might as well try to be clear on what are claims and what are proven facts.
Hm, I scanned through the thread and couldnât find other posts on other media coverage, where you felt the need to emphasize that virtually none of them had undergone the scrutiny of âproven factâ.
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Brandeis is the first private university to ban Students for Justice in Palestine
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I should hope so. If Brandeis isnât a safe haven for Jews then nowhere is.
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