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<p>Both barrons and rebeccar are incorrect, at least in part in barrons case, about Tulane. Yes, they did cut some engineering majors that were not very popular majors anyway. Other schools cut Russian programs when people migrated to Chinese and Arabic, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That just makes sense if only a couple of people are majoring in something every year. Some schools can afford to keep programs even when that happens, most cannot. It doesn’t mean they are desperate for money. Where barrons is even more incorrect is that he ignores programs that were implemented once Tulane was back on its feet. Yes, things were shaky for about a semester, but the school has not only come back but is actually better in almost every measure than pre-Katrina. Contrary to rebeccar’s comment, the last 3 classes at Tulane have been the best in the school’s history academically. Also contrary to her comment making it sound like Tulane is desperate for students, Tulane has seen huge growth in the number of applications over the last 4 years, had the most applications of any private university in the country last year (so much for fear of hurricanes) and had a freshman class that was about 10% larger than what the school had targeted. Because of this Tulane is deferring a huge number of highly qualified students this year so that they can have a freshman class that will actually be about 15% smaller than the previous one. Tulane’s endowment and finances are in excellent shape, so there is not a money issue.</p>

<p>Besides all that, Tulane was more recognized in a variety of ways this year than for many years previous. It is indeed a school very much on the rise. Once Katrina gets more than 6 years past (one more year for that), Tulane will be able to report 6 year graduation rates again and its ranking should go up considerably. It has suffered a lot from USNWR refusing to take Katrina into account this way, and of course from public perception in too many quarters that Tulane was severely hit by Katrina. It was bad for a semester or so, but as I said that is long past now, at least as far as day-to-day life on campus. Obviously there are parts of New Orleans that are still recovering and Tulane is extremely involved in making this happen, one of the great things about being there. Tulane set a new record for retention last year, over 91%, so apparently most students seem to think it is a good place to be. That’s a pretty amazing retention rate for a school that has more students from over 500 miles away than any other school in the country.</p>

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<p>in the last 10 years: I’d say Penn, Columbia, Chicago have made signifiant strides.</p>

<p>I definitely second OSU and USC</p>

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<p>@rjk, </p>

<p>The earlier one game suspension on Izzo must have got into the psyche of the Spartan players which resulted in the ugly loss to the Horns. However, they will bounce back!!! I promise!!! Go Green!!! lol</p>

<p>On the other hand, TOSU players are a major disappointment to say the least!! Pryor will most likely go into draft next year (a break for the Michigan fans I bet) instead of keeping up with his words of staying for the senior year as well as a handful of buckeye players involved. The up side would be the earlier debut of the prized 5-star QB Braxton Miller next year along with the strong 2011 recruiting class.</p>

<p>P.S. What’s the latest word on the street regarding to Rich Rod? Is he going to be canned or will he stay for another year? :p</p>

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<p>More like undergrad atmosphere in which excessive partying, drinking and social experience over academic learning is the norm. Luckily such students can rely on the hardwork of the graduate students doing world class research to ensure that the reputation of their school is intact.</p>

<p>While Students in this coddled atmosphere end up being amongst the greatest achievers winning Rhodes, and fulbrights and churchills and living normal lives as adults.</p>

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<p>I deserve 10 bucks if you go to one of these</p>

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<p>^what for, affiliations don’t necessitate that opinions are inaccurate.</p>

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<p>“P.S. What’s the latest word on the street regarding to Rich Rod? Is he going to be canned or will he stay for another year?”</p>

<p>Not a word here yet. I think he should be caned, I mean canned. Well, maybe caned and then canned. OK, just canned :-)</p>

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<p>Washington University in St.Louis is not on the rise. It is already on par with its peers, such as Northwestern, Vandy, Emory…</p>

<p>I would like to add that colleges on the rise would be NYU, UCS, UTAustin, Cornell,etc… My prediction for Cornell is that it will rise to at least on level with Upenn…and higher than Brown and Dartmouth.</p>

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<p>Yet these schools still produce most of the doctors, engineers, lawyers, CEOs, teachers and others of note in most states. Yes, the elite schools have kept some control of those “prestige” awards but inroads have been made by schools that care to fund somebody (see KSU) to help with prep as the elite schools have had for ages. And a little socializing is as good a prep for real life as any class IMHO. Most CEOs say the most important skill they have is being able to relate to all types of people and understand them.
And I believe PSU was near the top of the party school lists.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.b2bezine.biz/index.php/component/content/article/1/353-how-come-penn-states-on-top.html[/url]”>http://www.b2bezine.biz/index.php/component/content/article/1/353-how-come-penn-states-on-top.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>"The Wall Street Journal appeared to confirm many Mount Holyoke students’ fears when it published its national ranking of colleges that recruiters favor in its Sept. 13 edition. The highest ranking schools on the list were Pennsylvania State University, Texas A&M University and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign—big public state universities with undergraduate enrollments of over 30,000 students. </p>

<p>According to the article accompanying the rankings, “recruiters say graduates of top public universities are often among the most prepared and well-rounded academically, and companies have found they fit well into their corporate cultures and over time have the best track record in their firms.” With tight budgets and time constraints, recruiters preferred to visit schools with big student populations to maximize efficiency during the student recruiting process. “We’re all accountable to the bottom line,” Diane Borhani, campus recruiting leader at Deloitte LLP, was quoted saying in the article, after recently narrowing her roster to about 400 schools, down from 500.</p>

<p><a href=“Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ”>Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ;

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<p>A school with 80,000 undergrads is bound to produce at least some notable people. 80,000 is like a microcommunity or town lol. Anyways you will find similar at Ivies and top privates except more of them.I doubt people at top schools aim to be brand managers or even bother applying for such jobs. Recruiters have to balance select schools where they would have the most interest, and that interest is found in state schools e.t.c </p>

<p>Obviously there are going to be successful people from PSU. But what percentage would be CEO, doctors, engineers and lawyers (assuming those jobs are better than or more valuable than the myriad of jobs pursued by other graduates?</p>

<p>Yep all those beer pong/beirut skills do come in handy in the workplace</p>

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<p>As, I had previously observed. </p>

<p>Makes a lot of sense- these schools have large accounting, engineering and professional programs which are absent in top private undergrads where critical think and diverse skills are emphasized.</p>

<p>As, I had previously stated most of those being targeted are accountants, engineers, marketers e.t.c, the essentials of any company. These majors are absent at top undergrads. Moreover people at top privates seek alternative career paths</p>

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<p>One of the comments in teh wsj article summarizes your evidence lol:</p>

<p>[Best</a> Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435563989873060.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_TopLEADNewsCollection#articleTabs%3Dcomments]Best”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435563989873060.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_TopLEADNewsCollection#articleTabs%3Dcomments)

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<p>Another on point quote:</p>

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<p>Another awesome comment about drinking and just getting a job as opposed to a good job:</p>

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<p>Oh, now you are down to the % thing. I would expect the hand picked most elite students to do better than the average state U. And your snooty attitude about being a “brand manager” shows where you are coming from. Lots of those unemployed Ivy grads would give an arm to get on a brand mgr track today.</p>

<p>Comments are cheap–anybody can write one but they hold no value. The WSJ actually did some RESEARCH and printed it in a paper read by the elite.
Looking to comments for support=you got nothing</p>

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<p>It doesnt matter what matters is that such an article should undergo critical analysis. It seems people here love taking stuff for face value without analyzing the what? and the why? Two points</p>

<p>1) Its obvious that the jobs and recruiters being mentioned would be unable to gain the interest of most ivy league students anyways
2) Most ivy league students major in fields that would not fit into recruiters perspectives</p>

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<li>No, I doubt it. Most of the unemployed ivy grads are turning their resume in to certain companies not just any member of corporate America. </li>
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<p>When you have evidence that they are applying for these jobs en masse and the companies are selecting state grads over ivies then we could talk. Nothing wrong with a brand manager job myself, I would love to have one, but most people I have met who went to top undergrads would not be caught dead applying to these companies. They love Bain, Mckinsey, Oliver Wyman, JP Morgan, TFA, or a paralegal job at a law firm e.t.c not Bottom down sit in a cubicle corporate organizations</p>

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<p>I never trust any survey until I see the methodology and the sample size, as well as a glimpse of the people answering the survey. Just spewing data is not enough to convince me. The first question is- where is that data coming from? Who exactly are these recruiters and what jobs are they recruiting for?</p>

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<p>Duke, Davidson, and Wake should benefit by southern/warm weather locations. Schools that are need blind-meet financial aid like Duke, Holy Cross, and the Ivies will continue to attract top students.</p>

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<p>The WSJ study covered over 40 financial firms and 20+ consulting firms among others.
As for TFA, the top selectee schools last year and over the years have all been state U’s similar to the ones at the top of the WSJ survey. And it’s not because few Ivy grads are applying. Seems like a pattern. Same for Fortune 500 CEO’s with 70% from state U’s today. Few of those folks work in cubes. Sure the Ivy schools produce more per capita–but how many of those state U grads would have even been admitted to the Ivy schools? Maybe the state U’s are doing a bit more with less in many ways.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.teachforamerica.org/assets/documents/Top.Contributors_2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.teachforamerica.org/assets/documents/Top.Contributors_2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>ROFL at the thought that a brand manager job isn’t a good one. Uh, it’s brand people who hire the consultants to do their grunt work. Go ahead and pretend that the entry level consulting jobs don’t involve cubicles and long nights in strange hotel rooms with Excel.</p>

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<p>Pizzagirl is 100% right. At the major product companies like Kraft, J&J, Kellogg’s and hundreds of others, if not more, you pretty much have to be a brand manager at some point in your career if you are going to get to the executive ranks. It has long been known as the job with all the responsibility and none of the authority, lol. So those that do it well and show true leadership are marked for success. Anyone that said brand management was not a great job to land has no idea what they are talking about.</p>

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<p>OSU seeing results in grad-school review</p>

<p>Saturday, December 25, 2010 02:53 AM
By Encarnacion Pyle</p>

<p>THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH </p>

<p>Ohio State University has eliminated three doctoral programs, reorganized dozens more and increased graduate-student stipends over the past two years to better compete on the national stage.</p>

<p>“If we want to become one of the best universities in the world, we have to build state-of-the-art, cutting-edge programs,” said Joseph Steinmetz, OSU’s executive dean and vice provost of Arts and Sciences. “The programs will attract the best students, and they will draw the top faculty members.”</p>

<p>Three years ago, the university spent a year reviewing its Ph.D. programs in the first comprehensive evaluation of its kind in the country. Ohio State wanted to determine how to improve the best academic programs and weed out the weakest. And it had collected much of the data for a national assessment of doctoral programs that ended up being delayed until this October.</p>

<p>Rather than wait for the national review, Ohio State rated its 90 doctoral programs on measures such as students’ time to get a degree, graduates’ job placement and the rate of Ph.D.s produced for each program, compared with other schools in Ohio and the nation. Ohio State has nearly 11,000 graduate students and more than 3,000 professional students.</p>

<p>In the end, 34 programs were singled out to be reworked, including five that were recommended for elimination if they couldn’t be improved.</p>

<p>Since the 2008-09 school year, campus officials have cut Comprehensive Vocational Education, stopped accepting students in Rehabilitation Services and Technology Education, and moved the remaining two low-performing programs - soil science and welding engineering - to other colleges, where they are gaining momentum.</p>

<p>Ohio State is now the only school in the country to have a welding engineering program for graduate students in materials science, which is fast becoming an emerging field, said Patrick S. Osmer, vice provost of graduate studies and dean of the Graduate School.</p>

<p>Other programs have merged so that faculty members can do interdisciplinary work they might not have thought of if they had stayed in their previous departments. The faculties of chemistry and biochemistry, for example, have formed a new department with a single graduate program, said Osmer, who oversaw the doctoral-review process.</p>

<p>The university has identified life and environmental sciences as two of its most-promising areas for groundbreaking research and has formed a group to find grant money.</p>

<p>Stipends to doctoral students also were found to be too low to attract the best students.</p>

<p>To bolster recruitment, Ohio State started giving students in “strong to high-quality” doctoral programs an extra $3,000 a year in fellowship money, for an additional $12,000 over four years.</p>

<p>Officials said the effort is paying off. The percentage of students accepting graduate fellowships has increased from 35 percent to 45 percent, Osmer said. The school has dedicated an additional $3.6 million a year for the stipend increases.</p>

<p>“There’s no point in doing these comprehensive reviews if you don’t back them with resources,” said Joseph A. Alutto, executive vice president and provost, who came up with the money for the stipend increases.</p>

<p>The university also has made strides to better balance the teaching and research demands of students so they don’t take too long or drop out before completing their degree, but like most schools, OSU has more work to do, said Robert Sowell, vice president of programs and operations at the Washington-based Council of Graduate Schools.</p>

<p>For years, state officials urged Ohio’s public universities to trim mediocre or redundant programs, but they had little success. Then, in 2007, Chancellor Eric D. Fingerhut decided to try a new approach: using honey by asking the schools to identify “centers of excellence” rather than threatening to take away their money.</p>

<p>“Ohio State was a groundbreaker in this,” Fingerhut said. “I appreciate that they are persisting with it, especially since this is the kind of thing that ruffles feathers.”'</p>

<p>Since then, at least six other universities, including five in Ohio, have conducted similar reviews.</p>

<p>Source: [OSU</a> seeing results in grad-school review | The Columbus Dispatch](<a href=“http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/12/25/osu-seeing-results-in-grad-school-review.html?sid=101]OSU”>http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/12/25/osu-seeing-results-in-grad-school-review.html?sid=101)</p>