<p>Good point hotasice. There are many very very good schools here in the United States. Ranging from the classics (Ivy’s) to the big state U (UVa, UNC, Cal, UW, UMN, etc). Each is a perfect fit for someone.</p>
<p>oy well i’m not offended in the least bit. It’s funny to see people comment on schools they have no affiliations with! Mr. UMN</p>
<p>And I assume you have affiliations with nearly every school?</p>
<p>Sure i applied to most of the top tier ones. Sorry U Minn doesn’t cut it. Goodbye</p>
<p>Schools that are like Ivies but not in the Ivy league:</p>
<p>Stanford
Duke
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Rice</p>
<p>Tech schools that beat Ivies in sciences (sometimes):
Cal Tech
MIT</p>
<p>Top LACs (basically Ivies with a smaller student population):
Amherst
Williams
Swarthmore
Haverford
Pomona
Middlebury</p>
<p>Non-secular Ivies:
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Boston College
Brandeis</p>
<p>Public Ivies:
UC Berkeley
UCLA
Michigan
Virginia</p>
<p>Schools that are good at one thing or another that gets them high rankings:
Chicago (social sciences)
WUSTL (pre-med)
Emory (humanities)
Carnegie Mellon (computer science)</p>
<ol>
<li> Yale</li>
<li> Princeton</li>
<li> Harvard</li>
<li> Williams</li>
<li> Amherst</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> Massachusetts Inst. of Technology</li>
<li> California Inst. of Technology</li>
<li> Columbia</li>
<li> Penn</li>
<li> Chicago</li>
<li> Northwestern</li>
<li> Cornell</li>
<li> Swarthmore</li>
<li> Johns Hopkins</li>
<li> Brown</li>
<li> UC Berkeley</li>
<li> Duke</li>
<li> NYU</li>
<li> Michigan</li>
<li> University of Virginia</li>
<li> Wellesley</li>
<li> Dartmouth</li>
<li> Pomona</li>
<li> Smith</li>
<li> Univ. of Southern California</li>
<li> Barnard</li>
<li> UCLA</li>
<li> Vasser</li>
<li> Wesleyan</li>
<li> Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li> Emory</li>
<li> Bowdoin</li>
<li> Rice</li>
<li> Notre Dame</li>
<li> Cooper Union</li>
<li> Harverford</li>
<li> Scripps</li>
<li> Smith</li>
<li> Bryn Mawr</li>
<li> Vanderbilt</li>
<li> Bates</li>
<li> Harvey Mudd</li>
<li> Georgetown</li>
<li> Middlebury</li>
<li> University of North Carolina</li>
<li> Tufts</li>
<li> Tulane</li>
<li> William and Mary</li>
<li> U.S. Naval Academy</li>
</ol>
<p>[College</a> Rankings](<a href=“http://toptiered.com/college-rankings.html]College”>http://toptiered.com/college-rankings.html)</p>
<ol>
<li> UC Irvine</li>
<li> Georgia Tech</li>
<li> Colgate</li>
<li> Brandeis</li>
<li> Boston College</li>
<li> Macalester</li>
<li> Illinois (Urbana)</li>
<li> UC San Diego</li>
</ol>
<p>Interesting ranking you got there.</p>
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<p>What about Hopkins…?</p>
<p>Hopkins should be in the “good at some things but not others” category (pre-med/med again) but I can’t edit my post. I wouldn’t call them an Ivy-like, not the same style of school at all.</p>
<p>LogicWarrior</p>
<p>For me, that ranking was way more reliable than USNews’. Look at the criteria and compare them to the ones used by USNews. You can observe that they’re way more realistic and practical with regards to rating academic institutions.</p>
<p>LogicWarrior, I don’t agree with you. Johns Hopkins is definitely on par with the Ivies. Why do you think it isn’t?</p>
<p>I think WashU and Chicago deserve as much credit as Northwestern and Rice. WashU and Chicago are strong in pre-med and social sciences, respectively, but that doesn’t mean that’s all they’re good at.</p>
<p>I said it’s not the same type of school.</p>
<p>I felt that WashU, Chicago, JHop, etc. were more academically focused (and in Chicago and JHop’s cases, grad-focused) than the Ivies, who put a lot into student life and athletics as well.</p>
<p>Logic warrior:</p>
<p>What academic areas (premed, computer science, humanities) is Brown and Dartmouth famous/renown/known for? IMHO, I don’t think they are renown for anything except smart ppl, undergrad focus, lots of valedictorians and high SAT scores.</p>
<p>I totally agree, if you consider athletic conferences, you are totally correct. Those “Ivy equivalents” participate in D1 type sports where as JHop, Chicago, WUSTL, etc… are all D3 schools…</p>
<p>LogicWarrior:</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins has top 20, top 10, and top 5 programs in just about ANY major you can think of. It is FAR stronger than the likes of Notre Dame, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, etc when it comes to academics and trumps the ivies and schools like Stanford, Duke, etc in specific areas like Writing, history, english, Public Health, BME, Engineering, Political Science, etc.</p>
<p>Hopkins is easily one of the most well-rounded non-ivy schools. Your “logic” fails.</p>
<p>point out where i said hopkins was bad</p>
<p>Chicago as non-Ivy equivalent… Do you know how respected UChicago is in academic circles… It boast the highest number of nobel prize winners and basically pwns all areas of math, physics, economics, social sciences, business, law, etc…</p>
<p>Hopkins and Chicago are tied peer review wise with Cornell and Columbia… Hopkins and Chicago are Ivy equivalents academic wise…</p>
<p>Logic Warrior:
“Hopkins should be in the “good at some things but not others” category (pre-med/med again) but I can’t edit my post. I wouldn’t call them an Ivy-like, not the same style of school at all.”</p>
<p>“good at some things but not at others” ??</p>
<p>Hopkins is basically good in every single field and the only small gaps are on par with ivies like Cornell, Columbia, UPenn, and exceeds the likes of both Dartmouth and Brown.</p>
<p>Academically, the Ivies Go Like This:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton</p>
<p>Cornell, Columbia,
UPenn</p>
<p>Dartmouth
Brown.</p>