<p>from what i know, u cannot transfer to CC ,either u r a traditional student (CC) or ur not (GS)
however im not sure regarding the validity that recruiters dont interview GS
how would they even know??
u went to Columbia. period. i doubt anyone will ask if u went to CC or GS…
and no interview will require u bring ur college diploma, thats ridiculous…
so im not sure how they would be able to know which school of CU u attended.
but thats my opinion</p>
<p>J M, based on what I’ve read on this forum over several years, it seems I’m a minority, but I think it’s tragic when someone believes college is a means to a financial end. You have many years to live your life, within whatever career parameters you decide to create, but your years won’t wholly (or perhaps even in large part) be about your career. College is the period when you lay the foundation for priorities; will you read important works, or will you buy the latest bestseller at the checkout stand? Will you be at your seven year-old’s violin recital, or will you be closing the “deal”? I know you are beyond high school but, seriously, making Wall Street employment your “end” is putting the cart before the horse. With all affection, your obedient 53 year-old, top five law school graduate.</p>
<p>It’s because when banking firms recruit, they send recent grads of that particular school to do on-campus interviews. Therefore, all the dudes doing the interviews will be recent Columbia grads. They all know the difference between CC and GS. I guess because of all the schools in the Columbia system, they want you do put your college on your resume. It would be fairly dishonest if a graduate of Barnard put “Columbia University” on her resume.</p>
<p>Again, this is just what I’ve heard. I’ve read profiles on some people who went to GS and managed to get into banking. But I’ve also read a lot of information from bankers themselves that say GS should be a last resort. Better than a state school, but not by much.</p>
<p>I just wish I could get some accurate information regarding this. Oh, and I was not referring to transferring from GS to CC… but from GS to another school. Is that common?</p>
<p>GS and CC is the same school!!
same classes, integrated… there is no sending a recruiter to CC and not GS because its the same campus same classes…
there is no differentiation once on campus. there are no separate schools like with barnard for example. its all one school</p>
<p>pbr, I agree with most of your points. But I’m 24 years old, happily married, and will likely have children on the way before I’ve graduated college. I’m no longer a young teenager “searching for myself” in the big scary world. When I get out of the Army next year, I need to worry about one thing: providing for my family. I have an inherit interest in finance, and I’ve been doing laid-back research on the markets for the past several years. I’ve figured out what I need to figure out. Unfortunately, in this career, it’s extremely important what name is on your resume. And that brings me to here. :)</p>
<p>J M the diploma at the end is different, but no recruiter or interviewer requests u carry around ur diploma…
whats more, if they ask what school u graduated from you say Columbia University. just like the guy that graduated CC
because that IS the school you attended…</p>
<p>J M, from what I’ve read on the Barnard threads, Barnard graduates usually put “Columbia University” on their resumes. I suspect recruiters also interview Barnard students (along with College, SEAS and GS students). I understand your concern about GS, but my young son at Columbia doesn’t think GS (or Barnard) students are second rate in any respect. At the end of the day, your personal achievements will drive your success. Good luck!</p>
<p>ziv, I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m just telling you what I’ve heard from people in this business. The guys screening the resumes and doing the interviews are CC grads. You can’t pull a fast one on them, they know the deal. I agree that is is stupid to discriminate, because GS and CC take the exact same classes. However, they DO discriminate. Because of the selectivity is higher, because the part-time GS people they encountered when they were students screwed up the curves in their classes, etc. I don’t know why. All I know is I’ve been told that a GS degree is second-class in the eyes of Wall Street recruiters.</p>
<p>Again, I must stress that I DON’T KNOW if that is the case or not. It is only what I have been told by those who work in banking.</p>
<p>J M, I would suggest that you contact the placement director at GS (assuming there is a dedicated person for that job), schedule a meeting, and discuss this issue with him/her directly. Your maturity and bluntness will serve you well. Again, good luck!</p>
<p>Dear J M
i know ur not trying to argue, and i apologize if i came off a bit harsh (it was 1 am after a long hard day at work).
I do have a question though… wall street recruiters, wouldnt they hire (recruit) a student at the end of his Masters degree and not undergrad? i mean i assume that wall street investment bankers all graduated from big business schools like the Wharton school of business @ UPENN, Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc. this being the case, your undergrad wouldnt matter as much as which school you went for your degree in finance… moreover since the recruiters from big wall street firms cant be all from CC (im sure they hail from a variety of Ivy and non- Ivy private schools) i dont think that many of them would even care about ur undergrad affiliations long as it says Columbia University.
i may be wrong about my assumption, but since ur not coming out of high school CC will not accept you (sorry) and even if GS is slightly better than a state school (which cant be true since youre taking the same courses as CC students) your diploma will still say Columbia and not SUNY (State University of New York) for example. which does look different to an interviewer…</p>
<p>anyway those are my 2-cents on the matter</p>
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GS and CC is the same school!!
same classes, integrated… there is no sending a recruiter to CC and not GS because its the same campus same classes…
there is no differentiation once on campus. there are no separate schools like with barnard for example. its all one school [\quote]
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CC is not the same as GS.<br>
Many class sections are restricted to CC/SEAS student only.
and many top job recruitments are processed by CC/SEAS alumni networking.<br>
GS are not allowed in CC/SEAS dorms. … etc.</p>
<p>Human resources at top banks can easily find out that you are GS grad. That is why almost no GS grad get job at top banks and consulting firms.</p>
<p>Thanks for your responses they are very helpful. I however am not very interested in banking or Wall Street but rather expect to be applying to law school upon completing my undergrad. If I were a GS student with an IDENTICAL transcript to that of a CC applicant, would the CC applicant have a stronger transcript than I based solely on him being a CC grad and me being a GS grad? </p>
<p>Do GS students have a history of transferring to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton ect. law schools? Do those schools even differentiate between the different schools within Columbia?</p>
<p>dear collegeboy</p>
<p>After speaking with several coordinators @ CU i have cone to learn that besides the intro to college eng, CC/ GS classes are integrated. regarding dorms, ive never heard of recruiters coming to dorms, and since the point in question is not where the students reside but recruiting, dorms are irrelevant.
the only diff between CC and GS is traditional 18 yr old kids vs non-traditional young adults and adults with life experience going back or continuing school…
and the line about “That is why almost no GS grad get job at top banks and consulting firms” seems incredibly subjective… may i ask how you arrived at that conclusion?</p>
<p>While I often saw GS students getting the shaft – insufficient aid, not being allowed to attend networking and recruiting events, fewer and more expensive housing spots, being disrespected by people half their age, higher tuition per unit and higher tuition cap – law schools don’t seem to notice. After all, GS students have the highest undergraduate GPA at Columbia. Even my mediocre grades ranked higher than my mostly CC classmates in most of my classes (per the percentile rankings on my transcripts).</p>
<p>Of friends I had at GS, quite a number were accepted to top law schools: one at Harvard (which he chose over Columbia and other top schools), one at Columbia, one at Stanford, one at Penn, two at UC Berkeley. I know some of these people were accepted to multiple top 20 law schools. Other peers were accepted to top programs like CU’s SIPA and MFA Writing program. Those are just the people I knew personally, there were many others that I’m aware of.</p>
<p>I know that every one of the law students but the one at Stanford had a near 4.0 (I simply don’t know the Stanford student’s CU GPA, I assume it’s in the same neighborhood). One of the best things about GS is being surrounded and inspired by truly amazing people.</p>
<p>As for the top bank jobs, one of the law students I referred to interned and worked at a bank between Columbia and law school. Another is an analyst at a top bank. Still others are at top banks and consulting firms. Even though I had no interest in finance, I worked as a freelance consultant at a top iBank, then a successful hedgefund and recently made it to the second round interview for an internship at an investment company recruiting worldwide for 5 spots. </p>
<p>Remember, this is without access to many of the CC-only networking and recruiting events! If the grades, drive and talent are there – it’s possible. </p>
<p>One of the things that’s most absurd about the dismissive attitude GS students often encounter is that many came in with great skills, networking experience, successful careers and great connections. I think CC students and the university as a whole forget that GS students can be a great resource.</p>
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<p>Not really. GS students are not allowed in CC/SEAS sections of Univerfsity writing.
GS students are not allowed in CC/SEAS sections of Core Curriculum such as Literature Hum. Conteporary Civ. etc… </p>
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<p>Have you heard about Students and Alumni program at CC/SEAS ?
[Student</a> and Alumni Programs | Student Affairs](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/dean/alumni_programs.php]Student”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/dean/alumni_programs.php)
This is a special recruiting events for CC/SEAS only and GS is not allowed.
GS is also not allowed to use resources of Student affairs office of CC/SEAS </p>
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<p>Here is one example.
Simpson and thacher is one of the top law firms
[Simpson</a> Thacher & Bartlett LLP](<a href=“STB Law - Page Not Found”>STB Law - Page Not Found)</p>
<p>None of the Columbia BA holders are from GS. Human resources division at law, consulting, finance firms can easily find out that you are GS gaduate and will be screened out.</p>
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<p>Many people from City College or Extension School at Harvard also get accepted to top law schools. If top law school is your goal, 3.9 GPA from city college is much better option than 3.5 from Harvard college.
You don’t have to spend 65k/year at Columbia GS.</p>
<p>May I please ask for some opinions?</p>
<p>I am from California but I have no issue with moving to NYC if I think it gives me the best chance to go to an elite law school after I complete my undergrad. I have already been granted acceptance to USC, UCLA, and Berkeley. Columbia, however, is ranked higher than all those schools according to US News & World Report so would it be in my best interests to go to GS or stay in Cali and go to either USC, UCLA, or Berkeley.</p>
<p>Again I have no problem moving I want to go to the school that will look best on a college transcript.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot!</p>
<p>collegeboy again is lying - student alumni programs is not a special recruiting system for cc/seas.</p>
<p>re: presence at white shoe firms. first simpson thacher has a ‘columbia university’ label and a columbia college label. it is purely based on self-identification, thus there could be columbia university folks that went to any of the 3 schools. so i don’t think what you have here proves anything.</p>
<p>also there are fewer gs alums out there because there is a smaller class. but there are gs students in phd programs at mit and harvard (the valdo and salut of last year’s class), students at harvard law, columbia law, nyu law. working at white shoe law firms, and big banks.</p>
<p>ultimately, though, gs serves a different kind of student, and even within gs there is no one type. a portion are folks that recognize the ivy name will give them the quality and name recognition to go to top law, biz and med schools. for students who do not find it cost prohibitive, and they fit outside of the traditional realm of college students, gs is an option. it doesn’t replicate the columbia college education, but it provides that level of education to individuals who are usually denied that kind of rigor, or shoved off like at extension schools and not given community. for what it does, it is the best.</p>
<p>King - </p>
<p>1) is money an issue? did columbia give you any aid, how much time do you have before you complete your degree? these are questions to think about.</p>
<p>2) for most students, their home state institution (in your case a great pair of options) tend to be more economical than gs. columbia gs will give you a slight advantage in terms of name compared to berkeley (especially on the east coast), a bit more compared to usc and ucla (unless you plan to live in LA afterward). berkeley is large and unruly place to be, and it doesn’t love its ugrads, but it is a fantastic place and a good community to learn in. i really don’t think you go wrong going there.</p>
<p>3) it is worth going to cu if money isn’t an issue, you want to move to the east coast for a career, and want a smaller ugrad community.</p>