<p>This is the most nonsensical ■■■■■ I’ve seen. Impressive.</p>
<p>I think the only thing that matters is the actual coursework. As we’ve established, except for a few well publicized exceptions (that could be as little as 3 credits for a GS student) the classes are the same. Not so at Harvard Extension or (necessarily, but possibly) as Penn LPS.</p>
<p>It’s a multi-year vendetta across multiple accounts.</p>
<p>tsar10027, if you give up, pumagirl will keep on getting in the last world and trying to convince people that he/she is right. If he/she has any quality, it’s certainly persistence.</p>
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AB from Columbia College is not the same as BA from GS.
As I mentioned before Physics major from GS get BS and Physics major from Columbia College get AB. DIFFERENCE.
Even BA from GS is not euqal to AB from CC. The diploma looks completely different. </p>
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Yes this is true.
The course requirement for GS BA degree is different from CC AB degree</p>
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Again Columbia’s Continuing education and Columbia GS students take the same course with the same faculty. This is the FACT.
Harvard Extension students can also take courses at Harvard College. Penn’s LPS students can also take courses at College of Arts and Sciences.</p>
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<p>Here is the sample resume from Columbia’s office of career services.
<a href=“http://www.careereducation.columbia.edu/sites/cce/files/Sample%20Resume%20-%20First-Year%20Student.pdf[/url]”>http://www.careereducation.columbia.edu/sites/cce/files/Sample%20Resume%20-%20First-Year%20Student.pdf</a></p>
<p>Can’t you see Columbia College, Columbia University ?</p>
<p>Some simply put Columbia College.
[MIT</a> Sloan Faculty Expertise Guide: Faculty Bio: Arnold Barnett](<a href=“MIT Sloan”>MIT Sloan)</p>
<p>Goolge search is very efficient and it is very easy to find out if you graduated from GS. </p>
<p>Do you also know that GRE, MCAT, LSAT undergrad school code for GS is DIFFERENT from Columbia College. Grad admissions committe know that you are GS graduate no matter how much you try to hide.</p>
<p>Human Resources department at major banks and consulting firms also know that you are GS graduate</p>
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Penn LPS graduate get BA degree from College of Arts and Sciences. Yes its degree is from the same school. GS degree is NOT from Columbia College. DIFFERENCE.
Do you really think ECON from Penn’s CAS is the same as Wharton degree ?</p>
<p>Since I am done arguing with the above poster, I will simply paste an abridged wikicu article describing GS, so prospective applicants can get an apt approximation of the school. </p>
<p>WikiCU Article:</p>
<p>The School of General Studies, commonly known as General Studies or simply GS, is one of Columbia University’s three official undergraduate colleges for non-traditional students. It confers Bachelor of Art and Bachelor of Science degrees in over forty different majors. GS students take the same courses with the same faculty, are held to the same high standards, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates.</p>
<p>Background</p>
<p>A Columbia undergraduate class could include students from any of the following schools: GS, Columbia College, the School of Engineering and Applied Science, or Barnard College. GS is unique among colleges of its type, because its students are fully integrated into the Columbia undergraduate curriculum: GS Students take the same classes with the same students and professors and are granted the same degrees as students at Columbia College or SEAS. The school awards both the Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science degrees. GS students, who comprise of approximately 25% of all Columbia undergraduates, have the highest average GPA of all the undergraduate schools at Columbia.</p>
<p>GS is also home to Columbia’s Postbaccalaureate Premedical Program, which is the largest and oldest in the United States. Students enrolled in the List College Joint Program with Jewish Theological Seminary of America are awarded two Bachelors of Arts degrees (one from GS, one from JTS) on graduation.</p>
<p>Admissions</p>
<p>Applicants to the School of General Studies must have a break of one academic year or have compelling personal or professional reasons for part-time attendance to be eligible to apply for admission. GS students have the option to attend part- or full-time unlike Columbia College students, who are required to attend full-time. Also, scholarships at Columbia GS are merit based rather than income based like that of Columbia College or SEAS. In the 2006 class, the average age was 27 for incoming students, and the majority attend full-time.</p>
<p>Admissions officers examine high school records, test scores, extra-curricular activities, resumes and essays. They conduct interviews in person and on the phone. They also consider college-level work and real-life experience.</p>
<p>According to the College Board, GS accepts 23% of all applicants ([College</a> Search - Columbia University: School of General Studies - GS - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)). For transfer students, most successful applicants attain GPAs of at least 3.8 according to the GS admissions office. GS also requires standardized test scores for entry. The school will use scores from the SAT, ACT, or the school’s own General Studies Admissions Exam. A list of admissions requirements and procedures is available from the General Studies website and statistics on application, admission, and matriculation are available at the website of Columbia’s Office of Planning and Institutional Research. GS admissions statistics are not reported in conjunction with CC/SEAS statistics. This is related both to GS’s different admission deadlines and the fact that CC/SEAS and GS have different applicant pools.</p>
<p>Most GS students are transfer students, as 78% of the admitted class in 2006 transferred some college credit. A list of admissions requirements and procedures is available from the General Studies website
Additional statistics on application, admission, and matriculation are available at the website of the Office of Planning and Institutional Research. </p>
<p>Nontraditional students</p>
<p>GS enrolls world-class dancers, Olympic athletes, and musicians; investment bankers and small business owners; published authors and military veterans; and people who come from as far away as China, Israel, and Germany. Many students work full-time while pursuing a degree, and many have family responsibilities; others attend classes full-time and experience Columbia’s more traditional college life.
Many have enjoyed successful careers in fields such as investment banking and information technology and quite a few are nontraditional due to previous conscription or community service requirements in their home countries. A substantial portion of the population enter as transfer students; the previous schools of these students range from community colleges to Columbia’s peer institutions.</p>
<p>Academics</p>
<p>Science Po Columbia University Dual BA Program</p>
<p>The Dual BA Program is an intensive, transatlantic course of study for which undergraduate students earn a Bachelor of Arts from Sciences Po and Columbia University. Students will spend two years at one of three Sciences Po campuses, each of which is devoted to a particular region of the world and offers a heavy linguistic and cultural focus. After two years, students will matriculate at Columbia University School of General Studies in New York City to complete the interdisciplinary social sciences curriculum. Admission to the program is most competitive. High school students may apply.</p>
<p>Financial Aid</p>
<p>GS offers scholarships for both newly accepted and continuing students. These scholarships are merit- rather than need-based like that of Columbia college and SEAS.</p>
<p>A common complaint made by GS students is that the financial aid amounts and options offered by GS are smaller than those offered to CC/SEAS students. In the absence of need-based institutional aid, many GS students rely on a combination of loans, external grants, and personal funds. In 2006 the University announced financial aid reforms for CC and SEAS students whose parents earn less than $50,000 annually.</p>
<p>GS does not offer parity with the packages offered to CC/SEAS students. This is because the scholarship system at GS is independent of the financial aid system for CC/SEAS and funding is sourced from a separate GS-only pool. GS has made some recent efforts to address the issue, both through campaigns to increase the endowment and by increasing its scholarship offerings by 10 percent (in 2006.)</p>
<p>Housing</p>
<p>General Studies students are not eligible for the CC/SEAS Room Selection process. However, many GS students receive housing through University Apartment Housing.
History</p>
<p>In 1990, the CC, GS, and GSAS faculties were merged into the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.</p>
<p>The school’s name refers to its diverse student body by alluding to medieval universities, which were also known as studia generalia. Studia generalia were degree-granting institutions that served a much broader, often international group of students and scholars.</p>
<p>Myths</p>
<p>GS is night school.
GS students attend the same classes as students in other colleges at the university. Columbia offers some classes at night, but they are available to all students.</p>
<p>GS is an extension program.
GS is a degree-granting college. Students are expected to pursue a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science degree. The separate School of Continuing Education offers individual courses on non-degree basis.</p>
<p>GS is a back door to CC.
It is unclear whether anyone has ever successfully transferred into CC or another Columbia undergraduate school from GS. The official policy reads:
Undergraduates enrolled in the School of General Studies, including Joint Program students, who are interested in transferring to another Columbia or affiliated undergraduate school (Columbia College, School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS), Barnard College, or List College/JTS) should not submit a transfer application to any of those schools without prior consultation with their GS advisors. Transfer applications from GS to Columbia College, SEAS, or the Joint Program with JTS will not be considered by those schools without a written endorsement from the GS Dean of Students. Endorsements are limited to those students in good standing who have sound academic reasons for seeking to transfer from GS. Joint Program students who are considering the submission of a transfer application to one of the Columbia undergraduate schools, including GS, should also discuss the matter with their GS and JTS advisors; transfer to GS is not automatic for Joint Program students and requires a new application to GS through the Office of Admissions.</p>
<p>Relationship to Columbia College</p>
<p>The School of General Studies is loosely defined as a school for ‘non-traditional students.’ “Nontraditional students include persons who have interrupted their educations since high school for at least one academic year or individuals who have compelling personal or professional reasons to attend college on a part-time basis. GS is also the college at Columbia for students seeking to complete a second B.A. or B.S. degree.”</p>
<p>GS and CC students are academically indistinguishable- they both receive instruction in the liberal arts and sciences from the Columbia Faculty of Arts and Sciences and receive the Bachelor of Arts degree from Columbia University.</p>
<p>The somewhat arbitrary delineations between the College and GS have grown as a result of attempts to reconcile the overlap between the schools while justifying the disparate standing of the schools within the University. The wide range of constituents forming the GS student body, from professionals or dropouts returning to school for a degree, to students who took 2 years off before attending college, to ‘traditional’-age students enrolled in the Joint Degree Program with List College at JTS, to postbac pre-med students, makes it hard to say just what identity GS students have that makes them so different from their fellow students in the College.</p>
<p>In 2007, the administration floated the idea of a CC-GS merger.</p>
<p>From the web site of UPenn’s non traditional program College of Liberal Studies (LPS)</p>
<p>Is an LPS undergraduate degree equivalent to a College of Arts and Sciences undergraduate degree?
LPS students earn the same degree, receive the same diploma,…</p>
<p>It is impossible to find out if someone graduated from LPS.</p>
<p>Columbia General Studies students get different degree and different DIPLOMA. Everyone knows that you are GS graduate.</p>
<p>Harvard Extension School and Columbia School of General Studies are NOT the same thing. Harvard Extension School, while offering a wonderful education, is OPEN ENROLLMENT. The school offers AA degrees (like community colleges) and Bachelor or Liberal Arts degrees (ALB). </p>
<p>To qualify for the ALB program at Harvard Extension School, one must take three courses at Harvard Extension School and get at least a “B” in all three classes. After doing this, ANYONE can qualify for an ALB.</p>
<p>Many people who have gone this route have received great educations and have gone on to Harvard Law School, Harvard Business School, and all other top Ivy League graduate programs. For some, this is a great option.</p>
<p>Columbia School of General Studies is one of the three undergraduate colleges at Columbia University. It is the college for “nontraditional” students. Columbia GS is NOT open enrollment, and does not allow conditional admissions (conditional admissions is what Harvard Extension School offers, as the only admissions standard is getting three “B’s”). Columbia GS is a selective undergraduate college that requires one to submit (much like any other traditional applicant): high school transcripts, all prior college transcripts, SAT or ACT or GSAE scores (the GSAE is administered by Columbia and the College Board and is identical to the SAT without the math section), 1500-2000 word personal statement, an optional 500 word essay, and a personal interview if the school requests it. </p>
<p>Needless to say, Columbia GS is highly selective of who they admit. The admit rate for last fall 2010 was 23%, which is significantly lower than UCLA (33%), one percent higher than UC Berkeley (22%), lower than NYU (38%), and equal to Northwestern University (23%).</p>
<p>Columbia GS admit rate 23%: [College</a> Search - Columbia University: School of General Studies - GS - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>UCLA admit rate 33%: [College</a> Search - University of California: Los Angeles - UCLA - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>NYU admit rate 38%: [College</a> Search - New York University - NYU - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>Northwestern University admit rate 23%: [College</a> Search - Northwestern University - NU - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>Since they are different colleges under the same University, Columbia GS students get a different diploma than Columbia College students. Just as Columbia Engineering students get a different diploma from the Columbia College students. All three colleges serve different needs to the University at large. </p>
<p>Columbia College is the traditional liberal arts college, and confers a Latin (AB).</p>
<p>Columbia GS is the college for non-traditional students, and confers an English (BA or BS).</p>
<p>Columbia Engineering is the College for Engineering and Applied Sciences and confers an English (BS).</p>
<p>All three diplomas are different, but they are all from, and conferred by, the trustees of Columbia University.</p>
<p>Harvard Extension School can be a wonderful experience and can provide a great education, but its lack of selectivity (from open enrollment to conditional acceptance: getting three B’s and thus guaranteed acceptance) lowers its prestige. It’s sad, but selectivity is a factor when looking at a school’s prestige. Columbia GS, on the other hand, is highly selective and thus is more prestigious. Along these lines, Columbia College is more selective than Columbia GS and Columbia Engineering, and thus, Columbia College is more prestigious. Of coarse it’s not that simple to merely equate admit rate selectivity with prestige, but admit rate plays a big role.</p>
<p>Having said all that: Harvard College, Harvard Extension School, Columbia College, Columbia GS, and Columbia Engineering, all send their respective graduates to TOP graduate programs. </p>
<p>UPenn LPS is another school that is analogous to Columbia GS, but most students take night classes (although students can choose to take days classes as well). Since UPenn LPS is under the School of Arts and Sciences with the traditional UPenn College of Arts and Sciences (CAS) students, they both receive the same diploma. Although on their transcripts, a UPenn LPS student will be identified as such. </p>
<p>So unless you carry your diploma around to job interviews, perspective employers will know that you went to UPenn LPS by looking at your transcripts.</p>
<p>An employer will know whether you went to Columbia College or Columbia GS as well. </p>
<p>But seeing that Columbia College and Columbia GS students get, ostensibly, the EXACT same education, an employer should not be too concerned. Columbia GS’s lower admit rate will help in assuaging any concerns a prospective employer might have as well. </p>
<p>From the Columbia GS website:
“Columbia University School of General Studies is the undergraduate college created specifically for students like you – those with nontraditional backgrounds seeking a rigorous, traditional, Ivy League education. Most students at GS have, for personal or professional reasons, interrupted their education, never attended college, or are only able to attend part time.
Whether you’ve taken time off for personal reasons, parenthood, travel, or your career, the School of General Studies (GS) – Columbia University’s college for returning and nontraditional students – makes it possible for you to complete your degree at one of the finest institutions in the country. In fact, Columbia is the only Ivy League university with a freestanding college in which nontraditional undergraduates are fully integrated into the undergraduate curriculum.”</p>
<p>And this is from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>“A Columbia undergraduate class could include students from any of the following schools: GS, Columbia College, the School of Engineering and Applied Science, or Barnard College. GS students, who comprise of approximately 25% of all Columbia undergraduates, have the highest average GPA of all the undergraduate schools at Columbia. GS is unique among colleges of its type, because its students are fully integrated into the Columbia undergraduate curriculum: GS students take the same classes with the same students and professors and are granted the same degrees as students at Columbia College or SEAS.”</p>
<p>All the information I have provided is supplemented with evidence and any refutation will be a rebuttal against the words and statistics provide by the schools themselves and statistics furnished by the College Board.</p>
<p>Again, this is directly from the Columbia GS website. If you wish to debate these points, take it up with the school:</p>
<p>A Columbia Education</p>
<p>Academic Integration</p>
<p>As a GS student, you’ll take the same courses, be taught by the same faculty, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates. You’ll be inspired by classes, seminars, and lectures taught by dynamic, world-renowned scholars leading discussion with your peers the world’s best traditional and nontraditional students.</p>
<p>A Solid Foundation</p>
<p>GS’s academic program, leading to a B.A. or B.S. degree, is composed of a major, the GS Core requirements, and electives. The University’s Faculty of Arts & Sciences offers over 70 majors and more than 1,500 courses to undergraduates. The GS Core provides a foundation for a solid liberal arts education, assuring that you’ll develop critical skills in writing and quantitative reasoning, while exposing you to a range of knowledge.</p>
<p>Personalized Advising</p>
<p>To help navigate the wide range of academic programs, when you enroll, you’ll be assigned a GS advisor who will guide you through your academic and student life at Columbia. Your advisor will counsel and support you so you may successfully pursue your academic goals while balancing other responsibilities such as health, family, and employment. Our administration is supportive, understanding, and flexible, so you’ll be able to complete your degree in a time and manner that works for you.</p>
<p>Pumagirl is one psychotic *****.</p>
<p>so for undergraduate students, is the** Columbia School of General Studies **part of **Columbia University **?</p>
<p>Yes. The College, SEAS and GS are the three undergraduate schools at Columbia.</p>
<p>“so for undergraduate students, is the Columbia School of General Studies part of Columbia University ?”</p>
<p>LOL. Is this a serious question? </p>
<p>Per U.S. News: “Columbia is comprised of three undergraduate schools—Columbia College, The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS), and the School of General Studies”</p>
<p>GS is absolutely, unequivocally, and officially apart of Columbia University. And anyone who disagrees with this notion has zero knowledge of the current Columbia University undergraduate structure. GS is fully immersed into the overall academic undergraduate environment. How is this still even a question?</p>
<p>This is per Wikicu (Columbia’s ostensible encyclopedia): “The School of General Studies, commonly known as General Studies or simply GS, is one of Columbia University’s three official undergraduate colleges. It is a highly selective Ivy college for non-traditional students that confers the Bachelor of Art and Bachelor of Science degrees in over seventy different majors. GS students take the same courses with the same faculty, are held to the same high standards, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates.”</p>
<p>[School</a> of General Studies - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/GS]School”>School of General Studies - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>
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<p>Ok, thanks for the answer</p>
<p>THEN WHY DOES USNWR ONLY USE THE ACCEPTANCE RATE, STUDENT POPULATION, CLASS SIZE, SAT/ACT SCORES, TOP TEN PERCENT AND OTHER STATISTICS OF ONLY COLUMBIA COLLEGE AND THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL FOR “COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY” UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOL?</p>
<p>WHY ARE THESE STATS NOT CONSIDERED FOR COLUMBIA SCHOOL OF GENERAL STUDIES IF IT FALLS UNDER “COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY” AND SPECIFICALLY, IF IT IS “COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY” THAT USNWR IS RANKING IN THE ANNUAL SCHOOL RANKINGS?</p>
<p>LOL all caps! Who cares? Columbia GS is apart of CU. Period. Get over it. I don’t know why they use those stats, but I would assume they do it to “fix” the statistics to up their ranking, but just in case you have reading/comprehension problems I’ll repost what US News said:</p>
<p>“Columbia is comprised of three undergraduate schools—Columbia College, The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS), and the School of General Studies”</p>
<p>To be honest, this “conversation” will not be had, as any/all repudiations of GS are merely abstract notions of what GS really is. GS is a “highly selective Ivy League college” and its students perform just as well as ALL other undergraduates. This debate, over the differences between GS and CC, ONLY exists in the netherworld that is collegeconfidential.com. Seriously, this debate is OVER! If you don’t believe me, come to Columbia, because NO BODY CARES WHAT UNDERGRADUATE COLLEGE YOU ATTEND. Everyone knows that you deserve to be here, as the admissions standards for ALL THREE undergraduate colleges are quite rigorous.</p>
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<p>tsar, thanks for admitting that even though Columbia says that GS is part of Columbia University undergraduate and even though USNWR says that GS is part of Columbia University undergraduate, only the stats of Columbia College and the School of Engineering are used for “Columbia University” for ranking purpuses.</p>
<p>This certainly is very useful information…</p>
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<p>Then why in the world aren’t the stats of the GS students reported by Columbia as part of their Columbia University undergraduates and why in the world does USNWR not use these GS student stats for the college rankings for “Columbia University”?</p>