<p>talk about looking hard to find a silver lining, huh?</p>
<p>I really don't think it's as bad as its reputation, but that is certainly its reputation.</p>
<p>The unfortunate reality is that the administration hires a lot of low level administrators to appease local politicians by claiming they're creating lots of jobs. In many cases, though, these people either don't have much of a reason to care about Columbia students or are even hostile to those they perceive as spoiled rich kids. Other schools seem more willing to induct alumni or other people closely affiliated with their institutions into these positions, or in the case of the more low level service jobs, let workstudy students take them.</p>
<p>Another perennial issue with the administration is its constantly revolving door. Many people in these posts seem to be promiscuous careerists who relish the opportunity to slap Columbia's name on their resume but are up and out before they can make meaningful connections to students or staff. Again, not people who have any real connection to the university or desire to see its students proper/thrive/accomodated beyond the minimum requirements.</p>
<p>Columbia's complicated administrative system is a further obstacle; maybe if Columbia College students only had to deal with Columbia College administrators, it would feel like the personable LAC it's advertised as...but the university is a vast institution as a whole, and competing for administrative time and resources with tens of thousands of grad students is a severe chore.</p>
<p>even after reading all this "bS" or the truth... i still am stuck between the two... I honestly only care about these things:</p>
<p>-good weather
-lots of parties, things to do, nightlife,girls
-obviously good food, dorms, good college life with good people
-whichever school is easier to succeed and have a better educational experience... maybe which school CAN HELP ME get into a decent law school preferabbly top 10 : )</p>
<p>I guess i'm mainly stuck because I sucked horribly freshman year gpa wise...</p>
<p>and I heard princeton looks at 10-12 grades and Columbia looks at 9-12... so I might have a better chance at princeton i'm guessing...</p>
<p>Also, I guess i'll apply for sports to either one and which ever one recruits me I guess i'll go there... : )</p>
<p>So I still need help deciding and I ddin't even start the thread. trust me these 2 schools are the best in the nation IMO... so help me out!</p>
<p>"Columbia's campus has a range of politics, and your quote is its reputation, not its reality. I would say ~10% are raving, half-anarchistic liberals, 2% are activist conservatives, and the vast majority are apathetic but leaning left in their beliefs. By and large, students find the continuous protests by the socialists or wackos involved in the middle eastern conflict to be annoying obstacles to their daily routines. 1968 is a long time ago."</p>
<p>How apt, looks like 1968 has come back...
I just have to applaud Columbia students for doing a great job this week at portraying the university as a hotbed of liberal anarchy. </p>
<p>Anyhow, Skymall you should visit us and then Columbia to see which has better parties, girls, food.</p>
<p>1968 was still long ago. You can't compare ca. 15 radical socialists occupying a stage to the weekslong occupation of half of campus by hundreds of students. </p>
<p>Either there is an unselfconscious lack of logical thought that goes into these "Columbia is full of fanatics" posts or a conscious desire to tar Columbia. In other words, one must deplore either your lack of reason or your motives.</p>
<p>Yeah. Do you see me going on the Princeton board ranting about whatever minutiae I can take out of context and use to criticize your school? No, you don't.</p>
<p>And I'm sure readers here are smart enough to realize that your rants here mean you're more concerned with "competition" from Columbia than we are in the other direction. I'm happy with my school, and I think every other CU student here is as well. You seem to have some latent jealousy towards us or something. Get over it. As has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads, a dozen crazy people most of whom probably don't go to the university are hardly emblematic of the typical atmosphere here.</p>
<p>OK, I see you do not understand my meaning when I say Columbia is very liberal.</p>
<p>I'll revise my statement to be more exact:
Columbia has a minority of radical liberals, ~10% according to Denzera. The majority of students are apathetic but left leaning. The radical liberals permeate the political atmosphere with their crap. It is impossible to go through the week without being bombarded at least once with some ridiculous radical liberal literature.</p>
<p>10% of the student body = 400 students+.
400+ radical socialists running around a campus can cause plenty of trouble.</p>
<p>I wonder if Columbia's disciplinary board is doing anything significant in response to what happened. If this happened at Princeton the students involved would have received a Dean's warning at a minimum, if not a year's suspension. It has nothing to do with partisanship, I am certain that if the College Republicans @ Princeton stormed the stage with a Pro-Choice speaker on the podium they would be in deep crap. That's Columbia's problem, the administration doesn't do jack ABOUT ANYTHING, including students getting out of hand, and it results in this political environment that is infested with radicals. </p>
<p>You (Denzera) admit that organizations like the ISO interrupt other speakers, including liberal ones. The issue I have is not that the radicals are liberal, but that YOUR SCHOOL DOES NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR. The fact that they're liberals is a minor detail. If they were radical conservatives and your school did nothing about unacceptable behavior I would have the same scathing opinion.</p>
<p>"The radical liberals permeate the political atmosphere with their crap. It is impossible to go through the week without being bombarded at least once with some ridiculous radical liberal literature.</p>
<p>10% of the student body = 400 students+.
400+ radical socialists running around a campus can cause plenty of trouble."</p>
<p>Ha, Eugenie, you want to be taken seriously?
I think I know a lot about Columbia because I teach there.
I think I know a lot about Princeton because I used to teach there.
The crude descriptions and bitter, facile comparisons you make (plus your obviously erroneous numerical approximations and the overall exalted tone of your comments) do not do justice to either school.</p>
<p>Kind of hostile & defensive, aren't we, Yale grad and Columbia prof? </p>
<p>I'd say you reveal a touch of "exalted tone", crudity and bitterness yourself!</p>
<p>Not becoming for a faculty member representing his school.</p>
<p>Do you deny that there are at least 4,000 undergraduate students at Columbia?
Do you deny that Denzera said "~10% are raving, half-anarchistic liberals"?</p>
<p>So.. tell me where I miscalculated?</p>
<p>You miscalculated at the point where you took a wild estimate for the purposes of illustration and comparison to be fact, and hyperbolic phrasing to be appropriate description.</p>
<p>I'd say there's about 50 people who actually go out and physically protest, hand out flyers, yell at people on college walk, etc. There's probably another 100 who will join in things periodically as part of a large group or will get outraged over some issues but not an every-day thing like pushing Socialism. And then there's the several thousand who fall somewhere on the center-to-left spectrum.</p>
<p>In either case, I believe the school's decision that nothing major needs to be done is pretty much correct. This has been discussed to death in other threads, so I would refer you to those to keep this on-topic. Princeton has protesters too, it's just that their campus is located farther from the TV cameras and talk show studios.</p>
<p>Ha, Byerly.
I would not expect you to undrestand when someone is fair or "defends" a school he or she did not attend. That, perhaps, is beyond your possibilities.</p>
<p>what is the salary if you are a teacher at that school because i am doing a project at school and i have to really find that out so please say it</p>
<p>^^^ weird, eh?</p>
<p>try googling, “average university professor’s salary”.</p>
<p>I would guess at Ivies it’s ~150k avg?</p>
<p>Go to Columbia. I chose Princeton over Columbia and it was the worst mistake of my life. People at Princeton are spoiled brats with rich daddies and Jersey is lame. I did well (going to Yale Law), but I really wished that I would’ve attended Columbia. Princeton seems more prestigious because Harvard and Yale are holding it up, but if you really think about it: Columbia’s graduate programs are far better while Princeton has very little (Princeton College, anyone?), Columbia’s undergrad core curriculum is amazing and, although Princeton’s undergrad is amazing, too, guidance would’ve been preferred. They have the same admission stats, but Columbia has NYC. Go to Columbia; it’s better than Princeton (sorry guys, but it’s the sad truth). </p>
<p>Welcome the new Big Three: Harvard, Yale, and Columbia. Check your stats; it makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>I love Princeton, guys, but I was really confused as to why it’s considered top three. I know a girl who went to Long Island University and my best friend is attending Fordham Law School. It’s not the prestigious school that people make it out to be. Honestly…</p>
<p>OP will be graduating from college soon…</p>
<p>^ LOL yeah wonder where he ended up choosing…lol</p>
<p>Duke is the new Princeton, and Stanford is the new Yale.</p>
<p>I dunno Princeton is pretty awesome. Princetoneguy2010 smells like a ■■■■■. 2 posts?</p>