<p>@jamescchen</p>
<p>Duke? Yeah, no.</p>
<p>^hahaha. Duke is great, but its undergrad is really not that comparable to Princeton’s.</p>
<p>Although I really haven’t heard of any Princeton’s in anything outside of the undergraduate realm…if I’m correct they don’t even have a med school right? And I’m not familiar with any of their research or publications in science journals and such. Are they primarily a liberal arts/undergrad institution o.0 ?</p>
<p>Yes, they’re primarily an undergrad institution.
I don’t think they have any professional schools.</p>
<p>princeton has one prof school, woody woo.</p>
<p>as i’ve said before - princeton is in many was as close to the antichrist, evil empire as it gets from columbia’s force of goodness and truth. i sometimes don’t get students who apply to both. folks think brown is the bigger antithesis, but i don’t agree, i think brown and columbia have more crossover in terms of personality than princeton and cu. </p>
<p>as a columbian, my dislike for princeton is grounded and irrational, kind of like the way i feel about new jersey. <em>snap</em></p>
<p>Princeton has lots going for it including a stronger social life, a real college community, and well known loyalty from their alums. I would day Princeton and Dartmouth are probably the most similar Ivies, vs Columbia at the other end.</p>
<p>I also love their undergrad focus and the academics that come with that. I’m sure it has a lot less bureaucracy than Columbia. Trust me, going to a 5 law school you meet lots of alums from other schools. The Princeton students love the place, and its hard not to see why.</p>
<p>Columbia is a great school but it has so much more left to go. Our endowment is something like 1/4 of Princeton’s per student. </p>
<p>With all of this said, I think that if you’re applying to grad school or going to consulting or banking all of the Ivies are feeders to some degree. Its more what are you looking for in a college experience. All I’m saying is what Princeton’s selling looks pretty good to me, and it has a lot of things going for it that I wish Columbia had.</p>
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<p>fair enough, after having visited many times and having friends go to princeton, I can comfortably say that Columbia has a lot of things that princeton doesn’t. they are very different schools offering very different scenes. I agree that in many ways Columbia and princeton’s student bodies are at opposite ends of the spectrum in the ivy league. I frankly found princeton less diverse, insular and polarized with fratty eating club boys and girls on one end and nerdy science and math students on the other. Princeton students came off as intelligent without a doubt, but not at all people I would’ve wanted to spend 4 years with. I’m sure many princeton students would find Columbia as disagreeable, they are very different experiences and student bodies.</p>
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Neither is Columbia’s while we’re on the topic.</p>
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<p>Not sure what Lesdiablesbleus has against Columbia, but I’ve read several of his/her posts before and they were full of platitudes and either false or poorly researched statements. He/she doesn’t really appear to know much about the school but often speaks up against it.</p>
<p>Columbia and Princeton are peer institutions in terms of academic quality, yet they are different in terms of undergraduate experience.</p>
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I have nothing against Columbia at all. I was just making a point that is widely accepted. Calling Columbia a peer of Princeton at the undergraduate level is a stretch. Princeton is the best undergraduate college in the world and has stronger students, more resources, smaller classes, better grants/service learning opportunities, greater faculty focus on undergrads, a much much more well-defined campus social experience and higher prestige. Columbia is definitely a top 15 school and probably a top 10 one. It just isn’t one of the 5 best.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure Dartmouth has both of them beat when it comes to undergraduate education.</p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank)</p>
<p>Since when did undergraduate teaching equal undergraduate education? According to your logic neither Columbia nor Harvard is even in the top 25 colleges.</p>
<p>And psh, hell yeah. I would pick Miami over Columbia any day.</p>
<p>Princeton has more than four peers, and two of them are Dartmouth and Columbia.</p>
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Since the second sentence here is entirely subjective, what makes the first part objective?</p>
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Interesting you bring up Dartmouth.</p>
<p>[Top</a> US Colleges ? Graduate Salary Statistics](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp]Top”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp)
MID CAREER SALARIES
Princeton: $123,000
Dartmouth: $123,000
Duke: $117,000
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Columbia: $99,700</p>
<p>Why are Columbia grads so dirt poor compared to their so-called “peers”? Maybe many of them can’t land the plush front office finance positions on Wall Street and end up being struggling writers and artists instead haha. I wonder how they manage paying the city rent…</p>
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[The</a> Rhodes Scholarships - Winner Statistics by Endorsing Institutions](<a href=“Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships”>Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships)
Columbia: 27 Rhodes Scholars</p>
<p>[The</a> Rhodes Scholarships - Winner Statistics by Endorsing Institutions](<a href=“Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships”>Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships)
Princeton: 195 Rhodes Scholars</p>
<p>Even Duke and Dartmouth have a much higher number of Rhodes Scholars than Columbia. What’s going on over there at Morningside Heights? Not too much undergraduate advising it seems…</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, citing random statistics does little to inform whether Columbia and Princeton are peers. You cite a questionable salary survey and the number of Rhodes scholar. A Columbia advocate could argue the number of Nobel Prize winners and the fact that Columbia College’s admission rate is less than Princeton’s. All of which does nothing to address the issue of whether Columbia and Princeton are peers, which is a more subjective amalgam of all factors. Do you really think Columbia and Princeton are not academic peers? Have you really bought into the SHYMP acronym?</p>
<p>The salary survey excludes the 90% of Columbia students who go on to grad school.</p>
<p>Nobel laureates from Columbia :: 97</p>
<p>Nobel from Princeton :: 31</p>
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Nope, not even close.</p>
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Columbia College’s admission rate is less than Princeton’s because it is a renowned college located in a major American city (New York). UCLA gets the most applications in the country but that doesn’t mean that its as sought after as Princeton.</p>
<p>What matters is the number of “competitive applications” that Columbia receives. I have good reason to believe that a fair amount of unqualified high school seniors apply to Columbia just because it is located in New York like they do to NYU or USC while nearly all of Princeton’s applicants are academic superstars.</p>
<p>Also, the number of Nobel Laureates affiliated with a university has nothing to do with institutional quality. Who cares if some random Nobel Laureate worked in some obscure department of the university as a researcher for 3 years. How does that improve the undergraduate experience I have at Columbia?</p>
<p>Producing Rhodes Scholars consistently, on the other hand, shows that a university is committed to helping its best and brightest achieve the highest honor in academic scholarship. That should matter to you and I because it means the university more likely than not has incredible fellowship and career advising.</p>
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A large majority of most students at elite school go on to attend grad school so I don’t see how this is a Columbia-specific issue.</p>
<p><a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights;
Regarding Columbia: “Youd think undergradshere would have an edge getting into its elilte law and medical schools. But several other Ivies sent more students.”</p>
<p>Number of Billionaires from Columbia : 16 (ranked #4)</p>
<p>Number of Billionaire from Princeton : 5-6 ? (ranked 15th ??)</p>